Many have said already: Whites actions are designed to deliberately repel the very same people he seeks to convert. Yet, where is the logic in his argument: because the Bible told me to. Nor do I take issue with being called a goblin as I am not at all thin-skinned (as previously stated). Kind of a DeVry Technical Institute for theology. As far as any of us know, youre a college student with a very basic understanding of the applications of symbolic logic. Im not interested in those arguments, nor in the well-blasted trenches of apologetics warfare, which I have avoided throughout, thanks. Im not defending the White v. Beckwith debate, and I never have been. Keep it up with the category errors, maybe the laws of logic will change and afford you the ability to rightfully get indignant over something that never occured. Some belive that is a miracle of sharing. Please help him to sense Your presence in removing the chains that hold him to that pain. For that matter WHY would someone go through the bother?. We also acknowledge that reason apart from faith is useless. Assembly of God preacher from New York on the next day on aomins blog:I have proof that the abuse of my name has direct ties to the Romanist sect. Quite telling actually. Jesus says, if you do not forgive others, neither will your Father forgive your transgressions. (Matthew 6:15) You believe what it says to you, and the Protestants believe what it says to them. On IRC he would have the cult of White; he would tell people no one can beat him in debate. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. Your post, Mr. Smart, is disgusting for the same reason. Roman Catholics differ on as many issues as Protestant Evangelicals do. I have come to the conclusion that Mr White is in the throes of some complete mental collapse. Using Whites own arguments I will respond to Esau. Heres the thing: It has never mattered if it was a joke or not. Good question, Esau. You have claimed (again) that nobody is responding to Whites points. Finally I see now the ruse!!! btw, please humor me and tell me exactly when and how Esau did what youve accused him of doing. What gives? (pre-feeds begin 30 minutes or so before start of program). Frankly, such things were a check that kept people more civil. A more technical definition may be found in any number of treatises on moral theology. Probably the same way the Romanists decided. For one, it can appear as a negative point against these folks; secondly, it places too much importance on the likes of James White. That sounded so much like the playground nyahh, nyahh, same to you! that I actually laughed out loud. Im not fighting with anyone. And I would not analogize it to Rome, but for the lessons of a well documented history, connecting clearly the dots between sacral thinking and the eventual death and destruction such thinking begets. I refuse to read anything to substantiate a belief in Scripture Alone, especially since Rome says there wasnt a definitive list of authentic scriptures. A simple example, many Christians interpret Gods wrath on Sodom and Gemmorah, as a judgement on homosexuality and general sexual immorality. Perhaps you do with the rest of the Akin crew, as Akin seems to have used the pictures and some dubious Law from wikipedia to claim victory. Huh. Dear Mr. White, For someone considering converting to Catholicism, what questions would you put to them in order to dicern whether or not they have examined their Catholic Answers has some interesting ways of grabbing your attention. Also: We can presume that he knew no love was lost between them. The people here are rock solid in their faith, wise, witty and fun. one) have in fact already made the determination. Incidentally, there are protestant abuses, true, but these were uniformly folk who had absorbed the sacralist/jihadist template uncritically from Rome. Besides, there are nuts in every faith or philosophy. Tell me Esau, how often do you visit webpages and question whether or not the given url has been registered to that website, given that the url leads directly to it? Good Lord. (Matt 18 anyone.) A person who believes what this man teaches (see his blasphemy against God in his London -Godtube program) should be calm and saying to the rest of the world, what are these people worried about; God has already saved those who are savable. The Chronicles of King Ahasuerus[21] I dunno if this is all about James white for you, or displaying the bias you have towards all Muslims. Not that I always oppose circular logic. Not a lot of time is required to get such a minimalist tattoo, however, it is just as lovely as any of the other designs. Thus, he is merely ASSUMING James White innocence on the basis of this one red herring alone rather than the subject debate. good post How can you say it is SDGs personal determination when it is you who says it is? Admin Phone:+1.9512424988 Instead of responding with an example of when you thought Jimmy misdirected, your response was uhm I did post at least one specific theological question that White was asking. Do you see the difference? He can think youre going to hell and still treat you as decent human beings. The only thing that has gone on here is 6 or 7 people posted anwhere from 50 to 60 posts each, whipping each other into a mob frenzy From my interactions with you, you evidently arent a very rational person. It is the burden of one affirming a positive to prove their case first. I fully deny that we would wish to chop off his head. I am not easily shocked. Where was the big long post by Jimmy Akin condemning this fellow? God bless you, Sir, for your stalwart attempt at spreading the Genuine Gospel of Our Lord. The open eye in the freemasonry symbol is used as a reminder that God is able to see all the good work and bad work we carry out. Forgiving doesnt mean being fine with the wrong done against you. He is the author of more than twenty books and is an accomplished debater. For what its worth, if anyones still reading, Id like to express my admiration for Jimmy Akin. I think this characterizes the attitude of Akins crew well and, oddly enough, corresponds with the general attitude of ignorant zeal held by those in the doctored photographs. Really Esau? Will you in turn address one of my issues? Tell me did James White even deal with the issues? The Covenant Code Very interesting contrast from Zakir Naiks own mouth (again illustrating why Naik refuses to debate those who could expose his arguments). Has anyone ever heard of James White making a single mistake? Theoretically, wouldnt God perfectly intend for us to know, oh say, the Canon of Scripture if indeed Scripture was to be our sole Authority? Foxflier, I did read Jimmys response to Dr. Whites comments. First, I am the Anonymous that Mary (of Kay) thinks is Eric. It must be pointed out that this behavior does not automatically mean everything he says is false. I have a question Matthew, if the Catholic church is salvation through Christ, why must one confess to a Catholic priest to recieve absolution? Luke and his wife of over seventeen years, Cheryl, have two daughters Evangeline Grace and Eliana Faith. Funny And those who obsess about their victimhood can never be heroes. Registrant Email:whois-protected2@mapname.com Now instead, you ought to forgive and comfort him, so that he will not be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. About the website, do you even remember your having levelled the accusation against Jimmy Akin and his crew, as you put it: Perhaps you should go look up slander before you come around here trying to slander me. The second that both sides have fielded very weak and odd arguments. It was a nonsense response to your nonsense comment. Not accurate but made more sense. Blessed Redeemer 2 Corinthians 11:3 Its hilarious that you feel that facts from the debate is irrelevant when, actually, it is the very heart of the matter! Greg McR: and the indigination is too much HAHA!!!! The Books of annals of the kings of Judah HehCareBear, thats your 50th post in this thread, by my count. Yes, I have heard some people report thinking to be painfully difficult. CareBear, I really am asking, seriously, how do Protestants make these determinations. not a form of probation requiring our good behavior. Love Jesus and His word. This from the person who called Esau a liar. Mr. White is never really explicit in this. I discovered that he was honestly mistaken when I studied the Catholic faith. A couple of other points just briefly. Missed Vances post before I got out the door. 1. If so, then why did they fail to communicate that point. . The Book of Nathan the Prophet[6] He read widely in what was available to him in his day. Evidently our Great Tradition Baptist thought leaders have decided to stay far, far away from actually telling us how we can define the GT in light of the Second Nicene Council, as per Mondays Dividing Line. I asked if you are a disciple and if so, who chose you. Pluck a man out of 1950. Have you even seen the posts from the Pro-White supporters? Watching nations fall and rise. Theo. The brouhaha between the parties is of longstanding. I dont see why he lets his emotions dictate his ministry. Registrant City:Riverside http://209.85.135.104/search Why would I ignore this way to know that my sins are forgiven? Bartholomew the disciple came to me in a vision and revealed to me a secret special knowledge: Q reads too many Ehrman and Pagels books. Soon as White says Look, Im sorry Ill be cool with im. Considering all that information, it is easy to understand why alpha omega tattoos are certainly one of the best kinds of tattoos for men and women. Box 37106 END, Let us The onus is on YOU to prove it. How about the guy who accused Dr White of multiple errors and deceptions with regards to the teachings of Rome and then phoned in to say he needed to do three months of research to come up with even one. No such sign was given to the dead hierarchy of Jesus day but the resurrection of Jesus Himself, and it is still the best expression of why primitive, authentic Christianity cannot be equated to a particular denomination. Please take a few minutes and listen as James explains. I will not claim that But one of the problems with being a mystic is that you cannot really go around telling people you are an amateur mystic like you can tell people you are a professional or amateur apologist. Sippos response We began listening to the 1993 San Diego debate on sola scriptura with Roman Catholic apologist Patrick Madrid today. Jimmy was born in Texas, grew up nominally Protestant, but at age 20 experienced a profound conversion to Christ. However, as we move on, other questions arise: Could not the omnipotent almighty God, by his sheer willpower, communicate this charism of infallibility to an individual or organization, if he so wished? And then theres Luke 11, Forgive us our sins, This thread has been painful reading. by Dr. Hank Lindstrom, Here are some 2. Hence human testimony concerning inspiration is based, at best, on the testimony of one person who is, naturally speaking, an interested party in the matter concerning which he testifies It is true that miracles and prophecy may, at times, confirm such human testimony as to the inspiration of a work. Heyif Im going to be a member of Akins Crewcan I at least get the T-shirt? Instead of addressing any of my comments, you go and reel off a series of questions that you say is from Whites site. Maybe youre not an overzealous troll. StubbleSparks epiphany for the day: Thats a rather large base assumption, since I cant call to mind a single supporter of White who showed up without insult, but *even given that* you are highly incorrect. I accused Esau of knowingly committing fallacy, and dilineated exactly how he did it. At Alpha Tattoos and Piercings we will be providing you the highest quality, custom Tattoos and Piercing in a relaxing, clean environment. Catholics are constantly ridiculed. So one can not simply wipe their hands of the deal and flippantly reply: Meh, hes saved. The Apostles were empowered by our Saviour to forgive sins: Keep in mind, youre suggesting he proclaims victory in every one of his debates. Abu Bakr Siddique Mosque, Erasmia, South Africa, North-West University, Potchestfroom, South Africa, Southern Evangelical Seminary, Charlotte, North Carolina, With Michael Brown vs. Sir Anthony Buzzard and Joseph Good, London, England, Unbelievable Radio Broadcast, Grace Reformed Babptist Church, Long Island, NY. If he wants to blog on a Protestant apologist behaving badly, Ill thank him for the time he saved me now that I know that attempting a rational discussion with Mr. White is a collosal waste of time. But, fineGreg does have half a point (even as he remains metaphysically convinced of Whites sinlessness in the photoshop matter): the domain name thing is stupid and childish. John 6 In this case however, we see an individual Protestant apologist who has humiliated himself and his cause by his attitude and behavior. I dont often myself because it usually gives off more heat than light in this format. I should add that the result of the six-step progression I just documented is that so-call apologetics becomes an exercise in arguing about who is more offensive than whom. Luke, serving as Vice President of Apologia Christian Ministries and has been involved in outreach to the occults and various religious groups since 2000. Yes, let us all pray that those who claim to be Catholic will be obedient to the Magisterium instead of making up what they mistakenly believe to be the teachings of the Church. If the author continues writing, the canon changes with the completion of each project. Is that the same as being a liar to you? than to take a route never spoken of by Christ or the Bible, and just confess to God by yourself. evangelists whom I wont name, but will GODWINS LAW HAS SPOKEN. The outrage here seems a little melodramatic, Melodramatic in what respect? The pictures pertain to those calling for charity, yet give none of it to begin with. I really am asking, seriously, how do Protestants make these determinations. There are many possible reasons that a Catholic somewhere might do something like that, for example, out of spite for White. Calvin? I follow the Bishops, because they are the successors to the Apostles (IOW, I believe in Apostolic succession, which, BTW, is in the Bible). I hesitated to use the analogy because I knew that it would be taken as something it was not and yet the point is I think a valid one. 1. Tech Street3: All other points aside whether the admonishing was truly needed or not is irrelevant. Do you have any clue how petty this makes you sound? By noting them it is hard not to characterize them in some fashion. Other formats: Audible Audiobook, Paperback, Audio CD. Proverbs 3:5, CareBear says But having said that, White has shown he is a gentleman just look at the debates with Pacwa, for instance. They laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit (Acts 8:17) 1,157 were here. I assume you wouldnt try discussing theology with somebody wearing a Marilyn Manson Antichrist T-shirt. Sorry. Esau there was a BIG burst of the nasty spam, and it was most of the links in the little recent post sidebar. Would lead anyone to believe? . I also discussed Dr. Kevin Youngs amazing assertion that I declined the debate challenge I offered Got started a little late so we didnt go a full hour but covered some Tweet theology, including responding to Leighton Flowers and looking at some Thomas stuff. Tech Phone Ext. 2023 Alpha and Omega Ministries. Ignoring the thrust of an argument and drawing attention to a minor point is an important asset in the practice! It is not a *relationship*. Would the Disciples not choose their own disciples? Presenting the Gospel to People of the Muslim Faith, The Reliability of the New Testament Text, The Centrality of God in the Atonement (Hebrews 9:11-17), A Brief Biblical Providence, Theology Matters Playin Around the Providence, The Concept of Middle Knowledge,Theology Matters Playin Around the Providence, The Inspiration, Canonization, and Transmission of Scripture, vs. Greg Clark & Dan Ellis with Jeff Durbin, With Michael Brown vs. Pastor Deweyne Robinson and Rev. If they are utterly ignorant of human nature, maybe. Im asking you HOW DO YOU KNOW HEBREWS IS SCRIPTURE??? The Manner of the Kingdom[2] As always, Gods best to my Catholic friends, CareBear, youre missing my point. Am I close enough to him to be sure hes not just pretending? This does not at all mean we should stop condemning a sinful action. GK Chesterton, The Everlasting Man. Lamech P.O. Because I dont really think its worth the time. Obviously I was unclear. This is DISHONEST folks! The fact heand his fansare incapable of acknowledging any moral or factual error in dealing with Catholics is why were still at it four days later. Name Server: . Posts are filled with illustrations of the situation that make White out ot be the devil and yet Akin seems to have clean hands. if scripture exists, by definition it is authoritative, that authority comes from God,its ultimate author, and not from those used by God to deliver and protect the scriptures until the printing press was invented. CareBear Replies no? This is DISHONEST folks! How much of early Church history and/or Church Fathers have you read? The Wisdom of Sirach Linework tattoos are quite popular among both men and women and often receive a great review. CareBear, However you: Also, those of us in Protestantism do just say God did it as you so immaturely put it. So, in the interest of halting the growth of these comments, Ill take my permanent leave, and following Donalds example, Ill leave an email address for anyone who wishes to politely continue to discuss other matters. This is indeed childish behavior. Esau, thanks but I think you were well-spoken here. CareBear, ChurchMouse, [21][22][23][24], White has written multiple books critical of Roman Catholic theology, including the books; The Roman Catholic Controversy, Mary: Another Redeemer? Your style is like cotton candy, only without all that painful grit. Foxfier: White hung up on me after having specifically invited me to discuss a particular subject, evidently because he just didnt like me, calling me smug and arrogant. And, yes, we would know that list through divine revelation, or guidance of the Holy Spirit. Something all Christians (Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant) can affirm together. When we apply these considerations to Scripture, we are able to see that canon (infallible) is a neccessary result of Gods freely chosen act of inspiration. Since you have probably never heard of me, as you do not, as far as I know, have a scholarly interest in humor, you can check out my research on the web (google my last name and the word, humor). And you might be surprised at how many things called Tradition are really biblically-based. Why did the miscommunication occur? Maybe you think calling Mr. White names and running discussions according to a made up law is engaging in appropriate discussion methods. seeing as you deem him important enough to name your apologetics website after him? Fully understandable! None of the folks who demanded a response will answer your statements. So he had totally drawn attention away from the fact that he could not answer the question. I had no wish to align with the whore of babylon, I didnt [then] get litugy, the singing and preaching generally sucked, they had no concept of evangelizing, and way too many inside didnt believe were amazed that I would. AOMIN App Im well aware of Edward and his religious, or non-relegious presuasion. peace. Immaculate Conception? Jesus, Do the Catholic Churchs Teachings on Mary Constitute Authentic Christian Doctrine? Any more conspiracy theories you want to lay down on us, or is the cannabis plant calling? *see above posts for examples* I saw what I saw in the scriptures, I saw the theology that arose from that, I saw the devotional, spiritual growth that flowed from that, and saw in the checkered history of the church with all her saints that theology and teaching relected again and again. So Whites analogy is really intended to just get your attention, to help you feel the frustration he is feeling, to try and get past the only-morons-doubt-the-institution-that-brought-you-the-Inquisition mentality that just is so mind-blowing to people like me who havent been indoctrinated by it. Not utter nonsense. I agree with you that those areas are fascinating. Read your post and Im not sure you make any point at all. Admin ID:DI_471115 I mean Islamic fundementalist do not follow the Quran only, in fact there is only one group that I know of that follow the Quran only, and that is a peaceful group called the submitters. Office Hours James used to be an Elder at my church, and I've discussed the issue with him several times in the past. The fulfilment of the law is love your neighbor as yourself. You may think that I am misguided, but that is what I truly believe. May 13, 2019 - Explore Sam Roberts's board "Alpha omega tattoo" on Pinterest. The Revelation of Elias Surely you jest. No one should reward this playground-level discourse. Let me get this straight, J: Then we are no longer talking about the cannon. Why? I obviously disagree with that last part, believing the undeniable beauty and rationality of the cathedral is the very beauty and consistency of the truth and far from keeping the light of God out is filled with and reflects that light, but the point remains that there is no lack of backing or consistency or intelligence in Catholic doctrine or apologetics, and I can speak from experience that Jimmy et al. God graciously saved Zack at the age of 18 and hes been committed to serving the local church since day 1. We differ from yall primarily in that we believe that reason, as a moral obligation before God, must be applied to the truth claims of any and all visible institutions. Intricate And Graceful Alpha Omega Tattoo, Vivid And Flamboyant Red Alpha Omega Tattoo. Get beyond that and we need to scrutinize truth claim a lot more carefully. OK, Sandy, choose a side. I have four of my own to get in bed. Thus, perhaps you see now at least a potential source of frustration for the Reformed Caucus. JAMES WHITE WINS Registrant Postal Code:92517 He is Professor of Church History and Apologetics at Grace Bible Theological Seminary, and has taught Greek, Hebrew, Systematic Theology, Textual Criticism, Church History and various topics in the field of apologetics for numerous other schools. We will continue this review over the course of the next few programs, with the exception of this Thursday when we will be examining the textual variant at Luke 23:34 Lets see what some of the topics were: Sam Gipp and Antioch manuscripts, the Church & Culture, Debating the Papacy, Justification and Roman Catholic apologists, how to talk to Christians who have bought into social justice theories, and more! The Bible nowhere records that the gift of divine revelation would be lost. Please provide evidence. 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