Burke: Well, a good example is the one right here at the end of the street. Eric. Put a candle right in the middle of that floor and go take a walk. [laughs] He called it the one-candle house. If you want to come, behave yourselves. Hes been maintaining it for forty-plus years. And the porch went all like this, around the house. Victor. And when youd come down, there wasthe stairwell come down, and it was a double parlor, like this, and where this door was, was with two double doors. I think I got the two of them for five bucks or something like that. Burke: The only thing is, the house will be closed. And I dont like this. And shed go to her father and her father and say, You know, George, shes my daughter, and this and thatand I said, Yes, well, John, let me tell you something. Kathleen graduated from St. Peter's Girls High School in 1962. And in the meantime, I made a couple of little investments and they turned out very well for me. It would have been spectacular but greed set in, and thats what they did. Daller: No. So I had all my goodies packed in a box, getting ready to go. Thats when she said to me, George, go save my house. And I came down and looked at it. Come here, Marge. I said, What? They said, Sell this goddamn place. I mean, this was just a farmhouse. It doesnt happen on the North Shore because were very condensed and its a dense population. He moved into the house shortly after the sale, and worked from the basement to the roof, and outwards throughout the grounds and stables, to complete the restoration. She had to move them to New Jersey. That was all what she had in mind! And all my brothers. Well. So I picked up this one building that had a little old bar next to it. Burke: Of course, I come from a big house. Burke: Well, youve got to thank Mrs. Seguine. All these empty buildings and things. I was And I just got a call from all my lady friends saying that my house is falling apart. So he came out. And he did the big sofa in there, didnt he? My father was in the political-end, and he was in Borough Hall and everything like that. Cohasset crypto case: Everything court documents reveal. I was in the mansion when the sisters lived there. I dreamed, I saw it. I know the Port Richmond store you just bought. But I forgot what the other two things were. I want to go back and ask for some more details about your childhood. And with the Air Force, I enjoyed every minute. He says, Hes my good friend, and so on, We live on Staten Island. And I got to know a tremendous amount of people that way. And I got these. And that way, it wouldnt burn the houses down. And so shes got the bridge, and it costs money. People, Oh, could you help me? And especially when I came to Staten Island and I was working for Sherwin Williams, andwhat the hell, Florence? If you were at the water looking up here, you couldnt see the house. She spent most of her life as a homemaker. So, I would saywhat was it?the spring, and in the back of the house was the entrance to the cellar with the double doors, where you walked down the stairs, and it was all brick, and it had the doors. In fact, he was just a few years older than I, and wasnt it last year we were trying to locate him? Of course, she loved the smell of lilacs. Its still there, the framework of it, with the brick. But down here, all the beautiful homes that were down here are gone. And I gave that, I thinkI dont know if I gave it to Bess. Well, do you know what your preferences are? The only thing that will save this house as a bulldozer! [laughs] But anyway, I saved it. And the White Party we do in order to take care of doing cleanup on the lawn, doing any kind of plantings, or anything, because he did it all the years. And my sister, Bess, she was married to Walter, her husband, who was in the Navy. And I said to the real estate lady, I said, Well, how do you know theres a ghost in there? She said, Because the old lady that originally lived in the house. And all the time when all the lilacs would come in the spring, and the whole place would smell of lilacs, its gorgeous, still is. Burke: I was thinking about getting a big home, having a home, and what I would want in itthe paintings, what kind of furniture, carpets, everything. Mrs. Mackey. George Burke is the restorer of the historic Seguine Mansion on the South Shore of Staten Island, where he has lived and taken care of the property for over four decades. Because thats what I bought with the money. That place took off like you couldnt believe. But the upper story of the house was two more floors. But I dreamt it and I knew every single thing about it. Right. It was gorgeous and very ornatewas very, very much like Greek Revival. Is that what you want? And then I said, well, now Im going to buy a home. Yes, that was all Scalamandr. Burke: So that should pretty well cover it, I think. And I didnt realize it because I was always working. Burke is joined in this interview by his niece, Linda Daller. Are you still interested? And I said, Well, of course I am. And then I decided Id get involved again with things that are going on. So there wasnt a lot of time spent here. And the house was really, needed shapebut thank God it was built as well is it was built, otherwise it would have fallen down. Burke: About the candle? Daller: We lived several places. And that was a kitchen, and that was bedrooms and a little living room, all up there. Q: [laughs] How did you figure out what needed to be done with the house? Must have been twelve big columns, it was, oh! I mean, as a kid going down here crabbing, down on the beach, we used to look back at the house all the time. Theres a bunch of little houses now built all along through their gardens. Daller: We really cant give you any details on that. And Diane said, Oh, Marian has it.. But big stuff like couches and chairs and that kind of thing. My sisterher mother [indicates Daller], Francesmy sister living in the Bronx, she got me a little apartment and she got me a job working for Saks Fifth Avenue. So my sister Bess said, Well, come on, lets go to Florida. I mean, its physically impossible. So we lived there, and it was a big courtyard and there were four buildings and the center courtyard was all grass. She said, George, when she died, she was laid out in the coffin, right in that room, in front of those two windows. He used to stay out here. Thats why I did what I did, because I figured that if anything ever happens to me, all of this, now, will have to stay as it is. Youd have to see the house to see what Im talking about. And they copied that from France, because thats what it was, it was the French mansard. And this is Sarah Dziedzic. Take a walk. I said, No, no, Im gonna save this house. He said, Oh! George Burke is one of these dedicated keepers: He minds the Seguine Mansion, which he bought in 1981. That was the mansion. Theyd go in and theyd take the windows out and theyd use the windows, and they destroyed it. And I got a big certificate for saving that. So I went around and looked and looked and I said, You know, I could open a restaurant. And I walked around and I found a couple of nice places. And she had this woman who was a caretaker. Frank was born in Brooklyn, NY June 26, 1943. STATEN ISLAND, NY 10309. Q: Yes. Everything has to be environmentally done properly, so by the time you figure it out, youre spending more money, when youre making no money because you have no horses. But unfortunately, it all fell in. Ill tell you the good stuff! [laughs] And that was it. Burke kept records of the work, most of which he completed himself and financed the through the sale of his business, the Tidewater Inn. Daller: Thats been acquired over the years. I went over there, and it was standing up sleeping! What the hell do you think it was? And there was a big flight of stairs that went across the big porch across the front of the house, posts. Thats the usual setup, I think, for historic houses. I had the house put back together. You cant ride on the street. 174 East 80th Street, New York, NY 10075Phone: (212) 988-8379 | Fax: (212) 537-5571Contact Us: info@nypap.org. Daller: Its life estate that he has. And then I was able to get all my stuff out of storage and out of peoples homes where I stored them, and furnished the house and moved and lived in the whole house, took care of it. The mayor and everybody else in the cityyou cant ride on the beach. So that was the reason we chose to do a White Party. Daller: Thats a story you should share, about the lilacs and the lady. Daller: Mm-hmm. I started with the basement. Its going to hell. But it only reached a certain point of it, not in the very beginning. I just repainted. I was seventeen years with the Air Force. But again, I dont know that Staten Island appreciates anything, because we had a Borough President at one time that we asked him a question about something and his answer to my uncle was, Well, why would you want to put a new suit on an old man?. Ill help renovate it, fix it up and such. And thats what we did. So thats how that all came about. By the time I got to the to where they were discharging them and such, he had just been discharged and left on an airplane. Q: So those things that you got later on, afterthey didnt come from Europe. Absolutely gorgeous. Burke: Yes. But I still have a lot of it. Q: So this is going to part of an online archive. And that was nothing but a little house that caught firewas just a little, little house. As a young adult, he joined the U.S. Air Force and served in the medical department, spending time in locations across Europe and Alaska. So what I did, I decided, well, Id go inand we had where you could buy all your liquor and such in the post exchange. I need to get someone in to do a good cleaning on the house, someone to take care of maintaining it. But they hadnt been there, maybe five, six years, and I guess they decided, Oh! More beautiful than peoples houses. And what they did is they bought a whole fleet of old taxis. According to the funeral home, the following services have. So I took that out of the brick and I got some cement, put it all back in, put the wall back up. They were some kind of jewelry like that but I dont remember what it was. But things that, well, were thatyou needed carpenters that knew, that were good carpenters. Burke: years ago, because I couldnt afford to keep it. Why cant they just appreciate something for what it is? But, Q: Let me ask you some more about the items that you collected when you were. And the backyard is beautiful. Of course, when I bought the house, that was all weeds growing up among the bricks. Coach Robert Joseph "Bob" Burke, 74, died April 4, 2020, at home, surrounded by his loving family, in Wilson, N.C. Q: And so, what sort of vision do you have for, you know, the next the next forty years, for how the grounds are maintained and how. What was her name? Q: You mentioned that the South Shore has changed in the last few years. So I said, Well, Bess, if youre interested in doing it, Im interested in doing it.. Burke: Okay. They talk about Tottenville, its all McMansions. Everything has changed, all the old houses are torn down. Big fluted columns with big Corinthian capitals on them. Right across the creek. And with the money that I made from there, I put it right back in the building. When he came he got everything going. A necklace with a gold heart that opened like a. Burke: Yes, its a big oil painting, a big painting like this. And he kept up with him, up until the time Mario passed away. Okay. And you would have been taxed in this country if it was already like that. Well, the paintings and the small stuff like thatthat like that mirror and those paintings and all that stuffthat was all the little stuff. And if they were there and I could see them, and I could ship them free because the government had to ship it for me, and I had my sisters, who would store them for meI had had a great opportunity to pick up all this stuff that was beautiful, get it for nothing, and the government ship it back for me, and my sisters would keep it until I got a place to put it. And I finally got to meet Mrs. Seguine because she had stables at that time. She came and did a lot for the draperies and everything here. I bought those buildings. Burke: And Im leaving everything thats in the houseits staying. And when they werent in the house, they would go and buy them at the stores, and there was always lilacs in the house. Architectural style and interior style? Daller: But it was the thing with the lilacs smell. And then, it wasI guess that was in the spring, then later on, I dont know what I was doing. Its been so long now. And I walked into there and I walked up, and the lid was closed on the coffin. So whenever the big surgeons traveled, I always traveled with themtraveled all over Europe. Daller: Yes. My brother, he come in and he said, What are you, nuts? Yes, of course, they could eat all the grass. Q: And how did you decide, I guess, how to rebuild? Do you drink? No, we dont drink. So I would collect all the stamps. You cant ride anywhere but in a circle arena. Burke: Mario Buatta got me into all of that. So when I get out of the service, I got a job. Burke: So then I gave it to the Historic House Trust of New York. Daller: Yes, definitely. The fact that the Seguine familythis was the farmhouse, their mansion was in Rossvilleand thats long gone. And I never had timesometimes Id be sleeping on the pool table there because I just couldnt leave! Still kept it. But when I die, they say theyre going to make a museum out of it. And the kitchen was outside. And we recognized Mario at the event. Its still that way. Its a part of the history that should remain. And then I shipped it all back home. And she said, George, you have so much with design and such, I want you to take over the wallpaper department and the fabric department. I did fantastic for the store. And thats where I had all this wonderful carved stuff from the Eskimos that they gave me. What the woman who was caretaking her, what she had to do was constantly keep lilacs next to the bed. Q: So well have audio recording and a transcript for researchersand Ill remove those names that you mentioned, Linda. And I only have so much money being what I am. So he said, Dont worry about it. This whole corneryou could stand and see the street out there, so this whole corner was rebuilt. Most of the furniture thats hereI never furnished the house until I owned it. I think there were hundreds of people that worked there. Theres a ghost in there. And I said, Well, I dont believe in ghosts. Im gonna save this house. Do you remember that? Remember him? And my uncle came in and was part of the whole group. So Id go up there and Id say, Ed, Adriana, what do you got? Well, we got some old fabric, out of date fabric. Give it to me! And Id take it. Yes. There was the main house, over here was the bar, over here was this big dining room, and this was the main house. Theyre going out for the garbage. I said, No, no, no, Im trying to take them. So I took them and I had them all redone and reupholstered, and here they are. And then I went through floor and room after room, and took almost five years to put the house in good shape, the way you could see it. And I took interior design and the history of architecture, and something else. And I never got along with her that much because everything I wanted to do, she said, No, no, no, I dont like that. Theyre getting rid of everything! Burke: Well, look at the mansion! Developers. Daller: A lot of the paintings came from Europe, though. So I went out and I said toI had two roommates, and I said to my roommates, Wheres my box? And they said Oh, well, Sergeant Joiner came in and took it. I said, Oh, no! I went running out. I took forty-four big trees down in the front field just so you could clear the front and see the house. And I did, I got in St. George wasnt it? And I, throughout the time, I went from room to room in the house and restored it. So I come home dead tired. And I saved quite a bit of money. Isnt that a huge house theyre building, you told me? And not only that, we got a lot of manureI used to have it to put on all the gardens and to put on the fields and whatnot. Oh my god. I said, No, no, no. How the hell they got to the right people, I dont know. And thats what they were doing in France to keep from getting it taxed. So I go downstairs. And how people went along with them, I dont know either. Burke: Yes, she held the mortgage on it. So a lot of the things that you acquired to furnish the house were in poor condition, and then you have them reupholstered and restored. I had a dream thatin my dream, I woke up and I was laying in bed upstairs, and I could smell lilacs. Eventually, he was able to move his collection of Victorian-style furnishings safely into the home, and add to it larger pieces of furniture to complete the restoration. And everyone became extremely close. Burke: Oh, when I bought the house, everybody told me, Oh, what are you buying that old crap for? Well, I didnt say I bought it because I got it practically for nothing because they couldnt get rid of it. Ario George Lazzari Ario George Lazzari, 82, passed away on February 26, 2023 at NYU Langone Hospital in Brooklyn, New York. And that painting of me, thats upstairs in my bedroomdid you ever see it? Burke: And its great when you have friends come, you have extra bedrooms, you can put them all up. In my early twenties? Burke: Theyll come in, but youll have to have somebody as a guide. But I was glad that I got this. Q: And you feel that thats at risk because of the development thats happening now. Or is that real? That was real. If you want to come in a business with me, John, lets make into a beautiful restaurant. So he said, Okay, Ive never owned a restaurant, but Id be willing to try it, George. So I said, Well, John, youre gonna have to put a lot of money in it because you have all the money, as being who you are. Of course, nothings there. Q: Well, tell me about getting started on this house. And she kept, George, please, go save my house. Burke: Oh, I loved her. Will they appreciate it? She lived up on Lighthouse Hill. But I had all this beautiful carved stuff. And now theyre buildingI havent seen it, but Linda says its a huge house theyre building. Scarpaci Funeral Home of Staten Island LLC. When I bought the house, the real estate people, they wouldnt go in. So thats my uncles hope for it as well. He said he believes that whoever was in that other house, really didnt want people there. I bet shes there. GEORGE CROAKE OBITUARY. What was. And that was the end of them. If it wasnt for Mrs. Mackey across the street telling me about the funeral, I would have never known. Get service details, leave condolence messages or send flowers in memory of a loved one in New York. And Id go downtown and Id wheel and deal for a bottle of whiskey. Burke: Oh, well, the Eskimos up there would give me beautiful mukluks and all kinds of things. Kitchens were always built in a house outside by themself, and a breezeway going to the house, because the kitchens would always burn down. Burke: Yes. And then Iwhatd I do then, Ioh, I paid for this house, didnt I? Id bring her bottles of whiskey and shed say, Listen, George, Im going to an estate for saleeverything in it is going! Q: The Friends of the Seguine Mansionthe friends group. You could imagine what the mansion looked like. You know, everybody knew him, and everybody, wow. https://www.nypap.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/BurkeGeorge_20211109_access_redacted.mp3. You are to get out. Wantagh, Seaford . Daller: That was the house that had ghosts. And places on Staten Island are being destroyed every minute of the dayyou find another house is goingand its happening in all the boroughs! But those things, I couldnt. So this house tells a particular story, a long history, but it cant tell the history of the other houses because they were so different. Staten Island, Brooklyn, New York, Kings, Long Island, and New Jersey (718) 966-7800 Q: So part of why it closed was because. Off of Hylan Boulevard? It was his first time off of Staten Island. Always, in that vase in the hall. Its all stay in here. She said shell keep the doors locked and call Linda if anybody wants to get in and take anything out. And they added this big dining room to the other side of the house. That was her name. What are we gonna do here? So he said, Well, I really love doing this, George. And I said, Okay, John, thats fine. And so they lost it. Of course, over therewhen I was over thereEngland was just getting out of the bad part of the War [World War II], and they had nothing over there. And in order to have food and such, youd have to bring it up the back stairs. And she used to drink all the whiskey like crazy. And now the people that I sold it to, the Pistillis [James and Kathleen Pistilli], they had the whole thing researched and now its got landmark things on it and everything. Burke: Oh, and then the house, when I bought it, everybodythe real estate lady, she wouldnt come in. Theyd come out and Id say, Look, I can get you this. That house, it was a big French mansard, big Victorian. Find an obituary, get service details, leave condolence messages or send flowers or gifts in memory of a loved one. And they said he had the box, and took it with them. I hope it isnt that the people who have access come in and empty it because Ive had people say, Oh, when youre not here, Im taking that painting, and Im taking that painting, and I want that couch, you know. Its, all the numbers are accounted for. And if you were wearing them and you went and got in your car and turned the heater on, you smelled like piss. And he had helped meyou know, while I had my own ideas for design, and whatever I thought of, he said, George, thats great. And I dream that I heard some noise. Because she begged me. Burke: Im glad I did. And my fatherwe were quite wealthy, growing up. Burke: I think, what was left of it, the sons moved to California and they opened up a Scalamandr in California. We just mentioned him. It feels like home, because thats what its been. And one day I got a call from Mrs. Seguine. A lot of these drapes, they did. Burke: And what is a shame islike, you take [one of our former boarders], she has two horses that she used to keep here all the time. Theres none of the spirits. When I bought it, I didnt know what was that ones house. Burke: Well, most of the stuff in the house, he worked with me. It was terrible. And I said, Oh, shit. Would you like to elaborate on that? Prince Edward Island. He spends time in every part of it. Q: So its budgets and the contractors, all that stuff. George W. Burke, age 63, of Hull, entered into eternal rest on October 2, 2021. So a couple of days later, I have a dream. So I said, The hell with this. Daller: But when you got it, it really was in need of repair. And in the summer, he sits outside, enjoys the outdoors, enjoys the lawn, the grounds. But because I was military, the military shippedwhen they moved me, they moved all my stuff. So it didnt matter. He painted that for me. Burke: the Historic House people did give me a big bronze plaque to put on the front of it. Q: What do you think the role of this house is, in this part of Staten Island? So here I was with all this stuff, sending it home to my family, sending it to my sisters. Q: Was it Mario that suggested the life tenancy agreement? Everybody had left, and Bess and Marge were there, and Bess said to me, George, sit down. Unfortunately. Sign up for NYPAP mailings and our Newsletter to stay up-to-date. Because people will come in, and therell be four or five people and somebody will walk by and just pick this up, and pick that up. And that was inwhere the hell, what did they call that area where all the Eskimos lived? Its a real pretty smell. She said, Yes, its lilacs. She said Mrs. Whatever-her-name-was always had to have lilacs. So they. Yes, the dining room and the kitchen was on the other two, side. Thats what it is. So I had people come in and wanted to buy the Tidewater Inn. The kitchen was never in the basement. And shell be caretaker. Burke: After I had the house, then I got the big pieces of furniture. Good God! The front porch was up high. And then I what else? And one day, I was sitting in the dining room. And Ed was very good at taking dents and things out of cars and he could spray paint. Most recent obituaries in New York. And I had to have somebody upstairs, standing on the stairs, and told me when to stop jacking, when the stairs got level, because the stairs were like this. Was very little time on here. And in the back of the house, its still there, is aChrist, it must be half the size of this roomis a huge, huge lilac bush. And I took John in as a partner, but I owned the Old Bermuda Inn and the two buildings. I found a beautiful place in Tottenville and I opened it and called it the Tidewater Inn. And then when we realized we were broke, all my brothers joined the military, got married, moved away. Burke: Yes, I had to go down in the basement, and put a post, and then I had to jack up the stairs. Burke: She has it. [laughs]. And it was twice the size of this house. And, she said, If so, we will give you gifts. And then that was the end. Q: I mean, I live in a small apartment, so what is it like to live in a kind of museum quality home? It was like a mansion youve never seen. I have questions about closets too! Im offered fortunes for the front field, for the side field, for the backfield. I had no idea that that was it, when I bought the house or anything. Theres one here, theres one there, and theres one in the other room. All the way to the Great Kills Harbor. I would have saved it. And it was very much built like this house. And hes the one that did my portrait upstairs. You werent allowed to buy much because it was worth a fortune over there to the general public, to the British. But thats part of whats been going on down here. If you dont want to come dont show up. And he said since hes been here, he has nobody here. Q: Is there somebody in particular that you work with for reupholstery or restorations? Yes, and I had bought the house, but I couldnt have the house and move in until she died. Brooklyn Births: 1898-1909 Deaths: 1847-53, 1857-1948 Marriages: 1866-1949 *Pre-1898 records are for Brooklyn city only. 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