In a day and age where any type of hope is needed, especially to the unchurched, I would listen to either Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer any day of the week over the news. Could you point to me where Priscilla suggests that we empty our mind? Just put the books aside and pick up His word and study it for yourself. Paul's Apostolic Authority 14 We are not overstepping our bounds, as if we had not come to you. He was one of the founding fathers of the heretical Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation movement and a mentor to Ken Copeland, whos also a Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation heretic. (Also, lets please try to keep things friendly and polite, OK?). We are to base everything we think, do, and believe on Scripture. I and my attendants will fast as you do. There is only ONE requirement for salvation, and that is accepting that Jesus Christs blood took the place of our sin, recognize our sin and confess it, believe that Jesus is Gods son. And then help teach it to other women. Our faith is rock solid if we have placed it in Godthe unchanging, perfect, eternal, sovereign One. Go beyond our fears. -Opened new Evangelical/Non-Denominational. Click here I would suggest beginning with the article entitled Jill in the Pulpit (youll have to scroll down a bit to get to it). She also teaches false doctrine (things that either are at odds with Scripture or arent in Scripture at all) and partners with other false teachers (people who teach false doctrine). The False Teaching of Priscilla Shirer on the Here I Stand Theology Podcast, Is Priscilla Shirer a Sound Exegete? Beth and Priscilla both disobey this biblical instruction. This article really turned me off on her. Mark 8:25 Verse Concepts read more, Scripture: I really dont want to study scripture with/ from someone who is knowingly sinning by leading His lambs astray. I am always delighted to answer questions from, and help, women who sincerely want help understanding the problems with a false teacher, understanding Scripture, etc., even if those questions are long. GOING BEYOND THE DUTY CALL AND WHAT IS EXPECTED! That is why there is so much confusion in the flock, they dont rebuke the error as Paul did, but are now hobnobbing with them.. How is this different? Or and be .. Accused is a very loaded, and in this case, inaccurate term. Genesis 24:15-20, Denomination: I run into you everywhere man YouTube, Twitter, and now here lol. A NIGHTMARE ON DESERT STREET! Opening Prayer. No where did she usurp authority etc. Or will we apply extra effort and go beyond our duty? 5. Im sure you can find other examples on YouTube if you need them. Like The Gospel Coalition, CARM, Tim Challies, etc?) You must be afraid of some things, or else you will be in trouble. She is the New York Times Best Selling author of more than two dozen books and has had featured roles in movies like War Room (2015), I Can Only Imagine (2018) and Overcomer (2019). You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. Remember what Hebrews 5:12-14 says: For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. Until that time, however, it saddens me to have to recommend that Christian women not follow Priscilla Shirer or any materials or activities from Going Beyond Ministries for the following reasons: Priscilla unrepentantly preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures in violation of 1 Timothy 2:12-14(as well as other passages of Scripture that do not allow this). Do you have any other examples? If youre not familiar with the false teachers cited below, click the Popular False Teachers and Unbiblical Trends tab in the blue menu bar at the top of this page. Astonished Beyond Measure I think I dont think I feel If youre a Christian, what you think, feel, believe, say, and do is supposed to be governed by Scripture. And the Bible says that women are not to preach to or instruct men, or to hold authority over men in the gathered body of Believers, the church. Which is why it grieves me to have to answer that question with: Her theology. Unfortunately, there are serious red flags about some of the things Priscilla does and teaches that Christian women who follow her, or are considering following her, need to be made aware of. One of them went up to him and told him. Id be delighted to hear back from you, Elizabeth. Who then do you believe has not sinned and is qualified to teach Gods Word? And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals. I dont know half of your theological terminology, but I do know that I love Jesus and Im going to heaven, so Im just fine with that. Wow! Personal experiences can be evidence of the truth of rightly handled and understood Scripture, but not vice versa. Grace&Peace in Christ brother travis & sister tori, Thanks so much, Travis. ), placing herself into scripture and thereby improperly luring women to God through personal experiences of Jesus instead of purely reading the Word of God. This was very interesting thanks for putting this out there. Let's find out as we begin this study in discernment, Choose What Is Right. I think you are judging and do not agree with you. God knew what He was doing. Its very easy to think of Priscilla and think, Whats not to love?. If a woman is supposedly knowledgeable enough about the Bible to be in the position of teaching and authoring, yet doesnt understand or obey such a basic biblical truth, what does that say about the rest of her knowledge of the Bible? on that if youre interested. Fortunately, those arent your only two choices. Thank you, Daisy. In fact, the Bible says the opposite. and Serita Jakes (see below). If you have Priscillas contact information and can get her to talk to me (Ive attempted to communicate with her several times and have been ignored), I will be delighted to discuss this issue and the entirety of this article with her. Often, when readers express their disagreement, they do so in a very vicious and attacking way, so I really appreciate it when someone politely expresses herself. We would be unified around the truth of Scripture. 2. I had to look these babies up in the dictionary!) We have just joined a new church and I was completely disheartened to find they were about to start two womens Bible studies both by Priscilla Shirer. I know they were long and torturous~ especially since youve obviously answered the same questions over and over to others. You should bring these points about Shirer up to your pastor if her studies are being pushed in your church. She goes beyond what is written in teaching men, in partnering with false teachers, in teaching unbiblical prayer practices, and in using improper hermeneutics. As far as Priscilla, I am unsure of this. As Christians, we are to follow and obey Gods written word, the Bible, not our own opinions. You shall generously give to him, and your heart shall not be grieved when you give to him, because for this thing the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all your undertakings. "Those from among you will rebuild the ancient ruins; You will raise up the age-old foundations; And you will be called the repairer of the breach, The restorer of the streets in which to dwell. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. read more, Scripture: Verse Concepts. Priscilla and her husband of 22 years, Jerry Shirer, lead Going Beyond Ministries through which they provide spiritual support and resources to the body of Christ. Maybe God wants to stretch you beyond here! Otherwise, it appears this is a form of gossip.. Another important point on this subject: Can you think of a Scripture that says pastors can give people permission, guidance, or authority to sin by disobeying Gods word? Go beyond what's fair. 1 Samuel 30: 6 And David was greatly distressed; for the people spake of stoning him, because the soul of all the people was grieved, every man for his sons and for his daughters: but David encouraged himself in the LORD his Do you send women to your articles as a response? One example that best showcases Priscillas penchant for eisegesis and poor hermeneutics can be found in this promotional video for her study,One in a Million: 0:46-This same God was supposed to be speaking to me, teaching to me, making Himself relevant to mein the regular rhythms of my everyday living. Id be interested in hearing what Tony Evans says about his daughters doctrine. Is she a false teacher? THERE WERE Hi Lisa- I think the articles in my Rock Your Role series will help answer your questions and give you a biblical understanding of womens roles in the church. Well, that is why the rubber band was made, to be stretched. Before we move on to Priscilla, I just want to reiterate that preaching to men is not the only way Beth is unrepentantly breaking Scripture (although that is certainly enough to disqualify her as a teacher). You know, your making this comment right now is very interesting timing. Going Beyond Ministries with Priscilla Shirer The Mercy of Our Great God (March 24, 2017) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at Celebration Church (co-pastored by a woman), Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (May 21, 2021) Priscilla preaching to a co-ed audience at Passion 2018, Special Guest Priscilla Shirer (October 11, 2015) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at The Refuge Church (co-pastored by a woman), What Are You Looking At | Priscilla Shirer | Hillsong East Coast (October 4, 2020) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon for Hillsong East Coast, Women Teachers? read more, Scripture: And if I perish, I perish. Evangelical Dark Web. We cannot live without fear. Though the Bible allowed provisions for indentured servitude, which was a humane alternative to such harsh punishments for failure to pay one's debts, such as d *It's always a good idea to look back over life and think about the people who have made a difference: People who helped us in a time of need. Heres just one example of Priscilla preaching to men: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fIzWbXvfps. She has no control over who reads her blogs. Glad to know i am not the only dude that reads this wonderful sisters blog. It was an immediate NO after I listened to less than 1 minute of her reference about Oprah. Thank you so much for your consideration, I am asking the following question to understand your doctrinal views. (I remember when I was a missionary to New Guinea back in the 80s, the missionaries were teaching us how to reach the unsaved New Guinea nationals by telling simple Bible stories, and stories of how our lives were changed by Jesus. How is this different?. Thats why I said may have been. Whether that particular moment in time was, in fact, the moment that Priscilla was introduced to false doctrine and false teachers can be debated, but the fact of the matter is that she came under the influence of false teachers at some point and still unequally yokes herself to them and teaches false doctrine today. As a sister in Christ, I believe we should be happy for their success and teaching us the Word of God. In a day and age where any type of hope is needed, especially to the unchurched, I would listen to either Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer any day of the week over the news. My bible teaches those roles but thank you. Ohmygoodness!!!! Bible Verses about 'Beyond'. Notice the emphasis around the 1:37 mark on peoples personal experiences (praying for miracles, etc.) The Bible says dont do X, Beth Moore does X. Thats breaking Gods command, which is sin. but any time I have been to a conference where these women spoke and I looked across an entire arena of seats, very very few of them were occupied by men. Youve come to the correct conclusion about Priscillas teaching, and the Holy Spirit does direct genuine believers away from false teaching (John 10:5), but I want all of my readers who happen across this comment to please make sure (as Im sure Lynette did) you ALWAYS base your beliefs on what Scripture says, not on feelings and impressions. - People coming out of sinful lives dont usually smell good. Yet, I noticed in your comments that you did not once appeal to Scripture or support your position with Scripture. Are they preaching from a church pulpit on a Sunday morning as a pastor would? What is certain is that Paul, in saying, "do not go beyond what is written," was not teaching sola scriptura. But books and blogs written for women are not what 1 Timothy 2:12 refers to, and its not the same as willingly allowing men to attend (which is something Beth and Priscilla both do) an event where a woman, in an authoritative position, is teaching Gods word to believers, or accepting speaking engagements that are open to men. Priscilla Shirer is. I'll start.I'll share with you 2 Scriptures that have given me soooo much comfort and encouragement these past few days and then I'll anxiously wait for you to share what Scripture(s) you have been meditating on lately, received a ton of comfort and encouragement from and/or used to encourage someone else. These are just a few of the dozens of examples available on YouTube and elsewhere of Priscilla Shirer preaching to men. Still, knowing his perspective and the fact that hes her father doesnt change the fact that what Priscilla Shirer is doing is wrong. Like you, I also dont understand why believers behave the way they do- taking to task those who stand firmly upon the truth of Gods word instead of rebuking and rejecting false teachers such as Priscilla Shirer, when this is so clearly what Scripture says to do. 1 She is a false teacher, not because I say so, but because when you compare her teachings and behavior to Scripture, you will find them consistently in conflict with Scripture. Lord, thank You that You are the Good Shepherd and You speak and we hear Your voice. MAIN TEXT: MATTHEW 14:15 Thats a long sentence!). Maybe a good example of Priscilla using eisegesis to teach scripture? https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/christ-centered-silence-for-noisy-advent-season. Scripture (Romans 16:17-18, 2 John 9-1, Titus 3:10-11, and others) says we are to run from them, not listen to them, and certainly we should not encourage lost people to listen to them, lest they put their faith in a false christ and remain in their sin. Isaiah 58:12. It is Gods plan for every Christianto grow to spiritual maturity and intimacy with Him. And because of those issues, I deeply regret that I am not able to recommend her as I would like to. Be a Christian Who Cares Going Beyond Ministries is focused on the expository teaching of the Word of God. Next, youre not going to see an article like this from TGC or Challies. Finally, you summed up your blog post on why Christian women shouldnt follow, support or receive teaching from Priscilla Shirer because she teaches men (though I cant find evidence of this but Im still lookin! (Also, their main genre is apologetics, not discernment.) You are very kind and encouraging :0). There is no dearth of advice for us believers about how to deal with this situation. #4b- this is supposition on your part. Yes, thats correct. Hey brother Saiko Woods! The Mailbag: Is It OK for Christian Women to Wear Bikinis? No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. If he had, he would have been advocating one of four principles, which are inconsistent with the rest . After the service, people went by the preacher, tired and exhausted. Heres why: 1. Have women not been given a part in The Great Commission from Jesus? Just got home form a conference defending the faith. #1 You have noted that Priscilla preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures but I cant find the link. We are officially in the middle or a Pandemic called COVID19. If anyone has more info. As Joshua was facing the end of his life, he challenged the people to chose, the choice they would make would define them as a people. Id encourage you not to take my word for it, but to examine the evidence against Scripture (in context, of course) for yourself. B. Paul is quite clearthat people who preach another gospel are accursed, or damned, and that we are not to partner with them. or even some reformed guys or women who speak against Schirer. In closing out this conversation, I would strongly encourage you to continue practicing what youve said- just study your Bible in a systematic way, using good hermeneutics, and stay away from false teachers like Priscilla Shirer. 2:57- Do you know that of the original two million Jewish people only two actually ever made it? The Holy Spirit decided that what this church needed to combat that false teaching was a refresher course in Christology (the study of Christ- who He was, what He did, and why). The sweet missionary who taught us wide-eyed teenagers has since passed into Heaven. http://lisaharper.net/calendarevents/. However, from time to time, I get people who comment or send e-mails pretending to genuinely want help just so they can get their comments published and who then proceed to argue and twist Scripture in subsequent comments. However, under Three Suggestions he mentions biblical reflection, meditate on His word, and Christ-centered silence. Theres too much wiggle room in this article to pin him down on exactly what he means by silence. Id like to see him go back and tighten it up one way or the other to give clarity to his readers. (These are not exhaustive lists, I just havent gotten to the next installmets yet :0) Do keep in mind that there are many fantastic male teachers out there, and its perfectly fine for women/womens groups to use materials written by men. I guess I have to do some research on those folks. Romans 8:24 For we Sermon by Rick Crandall Thank you MIchelle Lesley. Ive read her own account explaining this. Otherwise, it appears this is a form of gossip. I hope youll find my response helpful anyway :0). Scripture is very clear that people like Priscilla Shirer who teach false doctrine confuse and stir up evil among believers: I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. I have no doubt that others have confronted her about these things. I am not sure that the Gospel Coalition is a credible source. If you dont trust the evidence Ive presented here, I encourage you to do your own research. I havent done One in a Million yet) this is supposition on your part. Christians dont get to have our own personal opinions. Josh 9:1. In the videos Ive viewed, there are only women involved (with the exception of the camera guys and the lighting guys.) No, I have not confronted Priscilla Shirer about her sin (and thank you for realizing that what shes doing is, in fact, sin). She admits it. Well, man, if theres only going to be a handful of people experiencing what weve learned on the pewthen I want one of those to be me., The story of Joshua and Caleb being the only ones to enter the Promised Land has absolutely no connection whatsoever with how many Christians today will be able to achieve intimacy with God. Read 2 CHRONICLES 34:1-33 [1] Josiah was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem thirty-one years. Our desire is not only for all to understand His written Word but for all to experience His Power! Nehemiah 8:10 Verse Concepts Matthew 28:1-20, Denomination: THE CALL? Pray With Us Jan 12, 2023 Hi Friends! But Jesus said unto them, They need not Its this link: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=18085. If that is you, let me save you the time and effort of writing another comment. The purpose is that none of you will be arrogant, favoring one person over another. Do you think the stretching feels good? It would definitely be interesting to hear his perspective. Here are my 2.1. MATTHEW 14:16 TRUTH AND LOVE You are an intelligent woman. After a bit of research on Ms. Shirer, Im determined that shes one to beware of. She has been doing so for years. By Wade Martin Hughes, Sr. Kyfingers@aol.com I CANT FIGURE THIS ONE OUT! Was Jesus gossiping in Matthew 16:6, 11,12 when He said, Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees? Esther 4:16 fasting. Yes, thats basically the requirement for salvation, but Christians are required to obey ALL of Gods instructions, including the ones about not joining with people who call themselves Christians yet hold to teachings and beliefs that conflict with Scripture. You should learn from us not to go beyond what is written in Scripture. If you dont sync with their teaching, dont follow them. Let us look at it from a mindset point of view. I am curious about this comment, I realize this post is old so I dont know if it will be read however, based on the above article and your statements in your article referenced at the top this man who is talking about reading from your blog and learning from you is sinning by being under your teaching. Scroll up to the top of the page and click on the Recommended Bible Teachers tab. 2 Kings 5:1-15 AT THE GOING BEYOND SIMULCAST, YOU CAN EXPECT: Bible teaching from best-selling author Priscilla Shirer To gain tools to study Scripture on your own To engage in worship led by Anthony Evans A powerful group prayer experience The opportunity to make an impact by partnering with a ministry Even if shes twisted. Kay Arthur, Beth Moore, and Priscilla Shirer Believe In Teaching Men Tooat Surphs Side. The last verse was a warning; this is an encouragement. When the angels had gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds began saying to one another, "Let us go straight to Bethlehem then, and see this thing that has happened which the Lord has made known to us." Mark 5:32 Verse Concepts And He looked around to see the woman who had done this. Before I address some of your specific concerns, two things: First, thank you for the kind and civil tone of your comment. Furthermore (since Priscilla looks to tangible experiences and anecdotal evidence as support for her ideas), both anecdotal church history and the experiences of Christians who are alive today prove this idea to be false. I think it should be obvious that a face to face discussion is different from a written one, so theres no need to go into that. Romans 4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. Lastly, although you are not directly in front of Travis Arnett, Saikowoods, Taylor Dunn & Seth Dunn, all of which are men who have posted here They are Reading & commenting on your comments and blog, thus you are teaching men. Popular False Teachers & Unbiblical Trends, please click here and read this article first, Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN, What Are You Looking At | Priscilla Shirer | Hillsong East Coast, Women Teachers? Heres why. I didnt know I was reading and studying scripture wrong. ), but 2 Corinthians 6:14ff and 2 John 9-11, among other passages, are very clear that we are not to partner with those who teach false doctrine, which Catholicism, Word of Faith, and many other churches do. Can you explain ? Introduction to Beyond Sunday Series: That, plus being a faithful member of a doctrinally sound church and being taught the Word every week is the best way to learn the truth of Scripture and grow in Christ. When I participated in Priscillas DVD studyHe Speaks to Meseveral years ago, I found her to be an engaging writer, a witty storyteller, and charismatic speaker. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart . They teach a false hope that will eventually let you down and disappoint you. Parables arent the same thing as eisegesis (or Jesus would have been handling Scripture improperly, Himself), and its easy to see this by reading through (in context) several of Jesus parables. Bushnell Assembly of God read more, Scripture: Yes, all of this is important, NO it is not vital. Oops! This article is kept continuously updated as needed. Go, gather together all the Jews who are in Susa, and fast for me. In our modern Hope this helps, and thanks for the comment :0). Have you ever pondered how a rubber band feels when a person stretches it beyond where it has been? Youre more than welcome to join the study if youd like. I would recommend reading the book reviews and listening to the sermon reviews. If you carefully examine Beths and Priscillas events over the last several years, youll see that they headline plenty of events that are wide open to both men and women. (HaHaHa~ I KNOW Im going to be asked about this one by the ladies in our study. Jude 18-19. Second, almost without exception, every female Bible teacher I know of who unrepentantly instructs men also teaches other doctrinal error (usually Word of Faith, New Apostolic Reformation or seeker driven false doctrine). Yes, there are many more examples of Priscillas poor handling of Scripture in the Additional Resources section. Throughout My exact words were: I knew she was his daughter, but Im completely unfamiliar with him or his doctrine. Since I made that comment, Ive seen several endorsements of Priscilla Shirer and her materials by Tony Evans, so I guess that tells us his perspective and the fact that hes not very discerning. Mark 10:46-53 Baptist. Im pretty sure some of our ladies are going to ask me where the evidence is that she was purposely teaching scripture to men. I have attempted plenty of times to contact people like Priscilla Shirer. 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