We appreciate your being here today, Mr. Wilcott. Many notes and gifts, often created by him, are left for us as a tribute to his kindness and love. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. WILCOTT - It was my Request for Advance Book. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. This man said that a large wooden box, 36 x 48 x 60 inches, was used to import arms into the building, one with a false bottom. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And will you tell the Committee what that relationship was? My efforts to follow up on the leads suggested by Harris were initially unsuccessful. There was a fourth calm man, perhaps unnoticed by MacNeil, who was getting a coke on the second floor. Mr. GOLDSMITH - I have nothing further, Mr. Chairman. Mr. WILCOTT - I am sorry, sir; I lost the thread of your question. I think we ought to state that the record shows that Mr. Sawyer is a member of the Kennedy Subcommitte Preyer. James B. Wilcott was a CIA accountant who disbursed CIA station funds in Tokyo, Japan. His desire to tell what he knew overcame his fear at least twice in his life. The specific incident was soon after the Kennedy assassination, where an agent, a Case Officer -- I am sure it was a Case Officer -- came up to my window to draw money, and he specifically said in the conversation that ensued, he specifically said, "Well, Jim, the money that I drew the last couple of weeks ago or so was money," either It was not until 1999 that I located and spoke with Leslie Thompson, one of the original members. Two weeks later, he wrote back: Received your letter of July 7, 1999. According to former CIA finance officer James B. Wilcotts testimony before the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA), Lee Harvey Oswald was a regular employee, receiving a full-time salary for agent work, for doing CIA operational work.[1] A memorandum by Warren Commission general counsel J. Lee Rankin said that Oswalds CIA payroll number was 110669. Mr. WILCOTT - Oh, no. Mr. CORNWELL - What did they say along those lines? At the time he visited the place, Scott Foresman was gone, and a carpet company was occupying the building. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, he was. Mr. CORNWELL - At what point in time did your discussions outside of the Agency first become a matter of publication in a newspaper or magazine or on television? Why would anyone share the information that Oswald was an agent with you, Mr. Wilcott? The day after their disappearance, an estimated 20 Dallas policemen pulled up on front of my apartment. Considering what William Harvey wrote about creating phony 201 files for ZR/RIFLE scapegoats, an obvious first question is: How genuine is Oswald's file (or what little we have . Considering the far-reaching extent of control over so many occupations in American society, the CIA could very well have infiltrated the schoolbook depositories and their associated publishers. One of the aforementioned employees (whose name I cannot recall) stated that when she went to work for Bill Shelly at the school book depository in the early 1970s she was interviewed for the job by some type of government agents who asked if she had been recruited by the F.B.I. Mr. WILCOTT - I was recruited from the school in Syracuse New York, where I was taking a course in accounting and busi- ness administration. As you can well imagine, she was quite confused because the job was low-paying and involved minor duties. Also Present: Elizabeth Berning, Chief Clerk, and Charles Berk, Betsy Wolf and James Wolf. After leaving high school he might have continued as an intelligence operative working undercover in local defense plants (plural) during the last months of the war. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, he mentioned the cryptonym specifically under which the money was drawn. His mother was a strong, confident woman before the assassination, but afterwards she suffered a complete breakdown in her health and had to be hospitalized. Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Where is Concord located? Mr. CORNWELL - Did they tell you whether or not you passed the polygraphs? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did you check any of the earlier books? heard it, that was not the first occasion on which you had seen it or heard it? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did you ever actually Xerox records being destroyed or changed? Mr. WILCOTT - That is right. The Three Barons proves that it is possible (with enough research), to reconstruct the organizational chart of the JFK plot. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Mr. Wilcott, assuming that Oswald had been employed as an agent by the CIA, would there have been a reference to that fact in the CIA's cash disbursement file? Mr. GOLDSMITH - To your personal knowledge, CIA records XXXXXXXXXX were destroyed? Mr. CORNWELL - At several points in your testimony you have stated there were six or seven persons, and on each occasion you raised the extent of their knowledge as "knew" or "believed." Earlier that year, he graduated from Crozier Technical School in Dallas. . Mr. GOLDSMITH - How do you spell XXXXXXXXXX last name? Mr. CORNWELL - In the conversations you had with other CIA employees, the six or seven persons who purported to have good information about the use of Oswald as an agent, did any of those people say anything to you which suggested that the CIA had some role in the assassination of President Kennedy? every CIA Case Officer who worked XXXXXXXXXX in 1963? Mr. WILCOTT - I doubt it, sir. After completing the questionnaire, the two F.B.I. The memo said that Oswalds FBI informant number was S172 and that his CIA number was 110669. Dorothy Ann Garner was a former office supervisor of Scott Foresman. There is a very large spider guarding this web of secrecy. Mr. CORNWELL - It is your testimony, as I understand it, the first time that you spoke about the Oswald agency matter outside of the CIA was after you left the CIA; is that correct? Mr. SCHAAP - Mr. Chairman, I would like to interpose, I guess, an objection, although I would like to make it more in the nature of a request, that I have some problems in terms of advising my client with respect to possibly self incrimination, that I would not advise him to go into questions of his specific knowledge of the oath and the application to what he did other than the fact that he has told you, which is a fact, that he did sign the oath; but to, go into his mental processes as to whether he felt what he was then doing related to the oath in a particular way, I would request that those questions not be asked on the grounds that they may violate either his First Amendment rights or his Fifth Amendment rights, if that would be all right. Mr. PREYER - Thank you. Mr. SAWYER - Do you distinguish between an agent and a paid informant or do you use those terms interchangeably? Mr. WILCOTT - Not directly, no, sir. He kept his pocket calendars from his years of employment, and he noted when the grocery company moved out of the building to a new facility in another part of Dallas. Mr. DODD - You liked him? The first contact I had with any reporter or any newspaper people or any media people was with Glad Day Press. [2] As we shall see, there is evidence that Oswald worked with another CIA agent in Dallas. [26], Pierce Allman, a local newsman, later said that after he approached the TSBD, a man he recalled as Oswald near the front of the building, directed him to a phone inside.[27]. For example, Joes father had to clear visitors with Roy Truly, the building manager, even though they were top executives from the company headquarters in Chicago. And I think that is why I probably heard a lot more things than other people did, for instance, than my wife did, because of that situation. One man had blonde or light-brown hair, wore a white shirt, and was armed with a rifle. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And who is Jerry Fox? There was talk about it going on at the station, and several months following at the station. Then, as time Went on, I began to hear more things in that line. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Very generally now, what were your responsibilities as a finance employee with the agency? I don't recall its origins with clarity, but I think it was given to me by a professor at Southern Methodist University here in Dallas. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, George Breen, again, after we came back from XXXXXXXX, for instance, XXXXXXXX was a person that I knew before I had gone to XXXXXX Station, and I met with him, and I had dinner at his house with his wife and my wife. Mr. WILCOTT - Not specifically, only generally. Mr. WILCOTT - Dozens, literally dozens. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, I am. House of Representatives, John F. Kennedy Subcommittee of the Select Committee on Assassinations, Washington, D. C. Instead, our system considers things like how recent a review is and if the reviewer bought the item on Amazon. Mr. WILCOTT - No. We think our readers would be interested in reading his evidence./p>, (Click here to open the document in another page.). Would you tell the Committee what the "need-to-know" principle is? Enclosing the back area is a high, chain-link fence with coils of barbed wire on top. Mr. WILCOTT - Not publicly. In the new 2017 November release of JFK documents, he was interviewed in executive session under oath by the House Select Committee On Assassinations on March 22,1978. of the Select Committee on Did you have further questions? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Yet the mere existence of oversized boxes on the premises does not constitute proof of ongoing illegal activities. exactly for sure. Mr. CORNWELL - Had you ever run into any similar cryptonym? For many years he assisted organizations that helped veterans, monitored the nuclear power industry, and worked to ensure basic human rights. Mr. WILCOTT - The response was, among quote a few people "Oh, well, I am sure he was." He was fortunate to have many travels, including celebration of his 60th birthday in Antarctica. Also puzzling is the manner by which they asked new employees point-blank if they were members of the CIA. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did you ever bring your allegation to the attention of anyone in the CIA? Below is Mr. Glazes letter: House of Re. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. December 30, 2005 in JFK Assassination Debate Share Followers 0 Posted December 30, 2005 I started to read through the HSCA testimony of James Wilcott on the History Matters website, and ran across this line on page 1: "Approximately April-June, 1963, Cryptonym for Oswald Project approx. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And a copy of the relevant House Resolutions? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. With perhaps two CIA agents on the same premises, a careful scrutiny of the company they worked for is needed to understand what happened the day President Kennedy was killed. Mr. WILCOTT - I think the most significant thing that can be actually substantiated is the circumstances surrounding my employment with the community renewal program in Utica, and I was the finance analyst for the community renewal program in Utica. He was the mayor at that time. His information was that he had been unwittingly involved with paying Oswald through a high security clearance, since he worked in the finance office. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Would you read the list to the Committee? Mr. CORNWELL - Did you -- at the time you made the decision to discuss outside of the Agency this matter, did you focus on the secrecy oath problem? Mr. WILCOTT - Jerry Fox, SR Branch, Reid Dennis, Chief of Soviet Satellite Branch; and XXXXXXXXXX, China Branch, and he also had a cover. Additional gift options are available when buying one eBook at a time. Mr. WILCOTT - That is true, sir. There is an interesting paradox about this issue. Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir. Mr. CORNWELL - What type of people were they? Afterwards, Joe visited him in his office and could hardly believe the change that came over him. Mr. WILCOTT - Gordon Finch. I will ask if you will stand and be sworn. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. GOLDSMITH - However, your testimony is that you spoke to only six people as an estimate who indicated that Oswald was a CIA agent -- and when I say six people, I mean six CIA people, is that correct? Reminder warnings were given on an individual or a small group basis. Please excuse this messy letter. Mr. WILCOTT - I was afraid quite frankly. [1] Testimony of James B. Wilcott, RIF 180-10116-10096, pp.25-26. Joe died on August 29, 2001 at the age of 55. WEDNESDAY, MARCH 22, 1978 . The 1960 directory lists him as a department manager for the Texas School Book Depository, living in a house at 126 Tatum Avenue. Enclosed is a copy of the response from G. Robert Blakey, Chief Counsel and Director of the Select Committee on Assassinations. Mr. CORNWELL - The cryptonym -- did you write it down at any point? Dave -- I can't remember his last name, Deputy Chief of the China Branch; and then a person whose last name was XXXXXXXXX in the XXXXXXXXX Branch. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you remember which of these individuals if any, made the specific allegation or reference that Oswald was an agent? Like Frazier, who was eating lunch in the basement, Oswald went to the first-floor lunchroom to eat his lunch. Mr. WILCOTT - June of 1964. Mr. CORNWELL - When this cryptonym was given to you by the officer, did any part of it ring any familiar note with you? Finally, under threats and intense harassment from Dallas Police, I was forced to flee Dallas in early 1975. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, my tires were slashed and damage done to my car and I believe sugar poured in the gas tank, and whether this was actually CIA or not I have no way of knowing, and it could also have been just for harassment as a result of antiwar activities but I think there is also a possibility that it could have been attempts to intimidate me into talking about the CIA. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - It is based on the principle that only those persons who are involved in a project or involved in operation -- and even things that would not seem to be at all in any way secret -- only those people should know about, it and nobody else should know about it, and that was a "need-to-know" basis Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. DODD - When you decided to release that information? From June of 1964 to about December of 1964, I was at Roseland. She died in 1969. Did you recognize any part of it, the first two letters or the last portions of it, as referring to any geographic area or any type of activity or anything like that? Mr. DODD - Am I to believe by that that you were not aware at the time you made the disbursement that it was, in fact, an Oswald project? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. The band started out in 1966 in Long Beach, California, and became known for its unique blend of country western and rock and roll. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did you bring that list with you today? Mr. PREYER - That was shop talk, speculation, I gather; people were saying that the CIA is somehow connected with it. Mr. CORNWELL - And would that -- at least in part --. Shelleys second claim was that he joined the CIA. However, the woman became terrified at the mention of it & said she would deny she ever said it if I tried to publicize the incident. [7] Through some insider intrigue, a saleslady at Neiman Marcus found out what Jacqueline Kennedy was going to wear the day of her arrival in Dallas. James Wilcott worked out of the Tokyo CIA station at the time of the assassination. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did you prepare such a list? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Those are discussions with people who gave the indication that there was every certainty that Oswald was an agent of CIA, runout of XXXXXXX Station, and that he was freed from Russia there in the final courses in Russia and was trained by CIA people at Atsugi. Mr. DODD - Talking about hours afterwards or a day afterwards? Carolyn Walther, a street spectator waiting to see the presidents motorcade, observed a two-man sniper team at a window on the fifth floor on the far-right side of the building. Mr. CORNWELL - However, I take it from the fact that, as you describe it, it wasn't always applied, that occasionally you did learn something about the identities of the persons or projects that the cryptonyms referred to; is that correct? In 1984, they began sending tapes of their programs to public access channels in Dallas and San Antonio and then to other cities around the country, hence the name of the umbrella organization, the Alternative Information Network. Something went wrong. At the time of the assassination, Shelley was in his sixteenth year of employment at the TSBD. The Warren Commission did all they could to delay the arrival time on the first floor by Adams and Styles in order to remove the two girls from the stairs when Oswald would have likely been on them. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for The Poison Patriarch : How the Betrayals of Joseph P. Kennedy Caused the. Mr. WILCOTT - All of the people that we mentioned in the case. JFK FILES - The Roscoe White Story: -Grassy Knoll Assassin Or Hoax? Mr. WILCOTT - No, I don't. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So that they would be routinely destroyed at the time of auditing? Mr. PREYER - I believe you have written an article about this, an unpublished article. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Mr. Wilcott, did I ask you to prepare a list of CIA Case Officers working at XXXXXXXXX Station in 1963? about it & possibly do a story on it. Mr. WILCOTT - I don't know how to answer that. The stark contrast in the quality of scholarship between the two books was one factor convincing him that there was a huge conspiracy behind the assassination. Mr. CORNWELL - Perhaps I can rephrase the question and get more pointedly what I need without running into the problem that you see. So, when the Case Officer made reference to a cryptonym, you didn't know whether the cryptonym referred to Oswald specifically or to a project in which Oswald had been involved is that correct? Mr. WILCOTT - I don't know. 49, No. Mr. WILCOTT - No, I didn't. Mr. CORNWELL - Had you done anything or said anything engaged in any activity which became of concern to them? Mr. WILCOTT - I think it must have been two or three omths (sic) after the assassination. I talked to reporters from various papers, and I talked to people in other forms of meetings, and to me it is not surprising at all. Do you follow the question? There were more people than that that believed it, and six people with any degree of certainty that, you know, I felt from what they were saying that they either had some kind of substantial knowledge, or they had talked to somebody who had some knowledge. Mr. GOLDSMITH - You have indicated that you were not inclined to go to the Warren Commission because you were concerned about their security? "[24] Lovelady must have been one of the other calm men, since, as previously noted, he made no response when Adams said that the president had been shot. Mr. DODD - And the information given you occurred sometime three months after the actual assassination. That is what we are attempting to accomplish, which is quite a big order. phone, and hang up, and I would get notes written in snow or my windshield and I had slips of paper left under my, windshield and this sort of thing. Mr. GOLDSMITH - What is that explanation? [4] FBI report of Roy Truly interview by Nat Pinkston, November 23, 1963, File No. William Weston examines the curious letters of Elzie Glaze and considers potential connections between the CIA and the Texas School Book Depository. Mr. SAWYER - Now, did the XXXXXXX station have any jurisdiction over the Russian operation or within the Soviet Union? Mrs. Bergin paid a great deal of money for that dress. I will be back in about 10 minutes. Mr. CORNWELL - Last November? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, in a speculative manner. 3 By James Mathis and Martha Wagner Murphy Enlarge A photograph from Warren Commission exhibits shows the open limousine that carried President and Mrs. Kennedy through downtown Dallas. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, there were several other incidents that I believe could possibly be somehow connected with CIA. TESTIMONY OF JAMES B. WILCOTT, A FORMER EMPLOYEE OF THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY: Mr. GOLDSMITH - For the record, would you please state your name and address and occupation? Although he left in December 1973, he was certain that the musician who disappeared in Dallas was not among the core members of the band. [9] Carolyn Arnold statement in Byrd/TSBD Concerns posted by Martin Barkley on May 24, 2000 on the JFK Today website. Mr. GOLDSMITH - excuse me, just answer the question very generally, without referring to anything right now, and please describe generally what your responsibilities were as a finance officer. The third calm man was probably Wesley Fraizer, who stuck close to Shelley and Lovelady. Yes, I do, and I believe there was such a reference. [22] Sylvia Meagher, Accessories After the Fact, p. 74. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - In 1968. Mr. WILCOTT - Anything they had there would have -- sometimes they used as many as two or three different cryptonyms and they would have -- it all depended on how far they wanted to isolate it from the original source, from the original source as to where the project was run. Walther was sure they were not as high as the sixth floor. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. [3], Actually, the move took place a few months before the assassination. Mr. WILCOTT - That is true. You may have noticed that at the end of my letter to Alternative Views I carbon-copied to my will. It was intended as a jab at myself lest I get too full of myself rereading it 50 years from now. About a minute or two later, NBC news reporter Robert MacNeil came in through the front door, amazed to see three calm men. files -- my internal files, prior to the end of the month. He asked that a copy of the letter be sent to his homenot to the business addressand after he read it, he would check into it. The mayor, Mr. Sawyer, was Dominic Casaro. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And what is the reason for that? Mr. WILCOTT - Well, that was just those that were assigned to XXXXXX and those projects that were assigned to XXXXXXXX. Which seems to be an odd premise, especially since, as Jerry Rose pointed out in his article, Important to Hold that Man there were at least 14 people missing from the building at the time; and they would not return until 1:30 PM. Mr. WILCOTT - No. I remember hearing about some CIA people who had somehow helped the right-wing Minute Men in Texas to get arms, originally intended for the invasion. Among the Dallas individuals and companies engaged in supplying arms to Cuban exiles and the Minute Men might have been the ones occupying the building at 411 Elm Street. In my letter to him, I praised him for his courage and expressed the hope that someday he might fill in the gaps of his story for the sake of history. Mr. CORNWELL - What group was it? Mr. WILCOTT - I really didn't think that the Warren Commission was out to really get at the facts, and I am not, saying that they purposely did anything, because I don't know, and maybe they did or maybe they didn't, but certainly, they didn't impress me as really trying to scrutinize the evidence that there was. Mr. CORNWELL - What, if any, investigation did the Agency do with respect to that? The November 14, 1961 date came from Leon, Sexton branch manager in Dallas from 1961 to 1964. [14] William Harvey obituary in The New York Times, June 14, 1976. Mr. WILCOTT - XXXXXXXXXXXX George Breen, Ed Luck, and. Find all the books, read about the author, and more. Mr. CORNWELL - Do you have any knowledge, based upon your tenure XXXXXXX as to who would have trained Oswald in the Russian language if that occurred? As far as that they actually said, they said they were having trouble with Oswald and that there was dissatisfaction with Oswald after he came back from the Soviet Union, and the would say things like "Well, you know this was the way to get rid of him -- to get him involved in this assassination thing and put the blame on Cuba as a pretext for another invasion or another attack against Cuba. Which he was allegedly working for. In 1938, he became a salesman for Scott Foresman. My actions were less courageous than they were the result of being nave. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, for a limited period. Did you want to do this or intend to proceed with that line of questioning? He was not questioned by the Warren Commission. He closed his 1989 letter with a lurid metaphor: I will help any wayI just want to be forewarned. In 1947, the year when the CIA was formed, the Dallas city directory lists William Shelley as a clerk for the Hugh Perry Book Depository (the old name for the Texas School Book Depository), and that he had a room at 515 Martinique Avenue. Mr. WILCOTT - They were maintained on a thirty-day basis, and then they were closed off at the end of the month. Below is an excerpt from Harriss letter dated December 15, 1992: Enclosed is the Bill Shelley document I read to you over the phone. Please try again. Mr. GOLDSMITH - To your knowledge, would any records at CIA Headquarters document that Oswald was a CIA agent? Mr. GOLDSMITH - What is that opinion? I have entered other webs, but this one is different because the spider leaves the web and stalks its preysometimes for many years. [10] Larry Ray Harris at the age of 44 died in an automobile accident on October 5, 1996. anyone? 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