Just push the button that corresponds to the right word. He'll be our guide for the segment. ", "Even- even when their sorrows almost were forgot. I'm Jad Abumrad. And that was a question that had haunted my father for decades. So he decided he was going to invent a process to pay for these reparations by himself. He takes over leadership of this institute in Berlin, and he starts hobnobbing with a whole different level of society. Now what you need to understand about Alex Haslam is that he hates it when interviewers only want to talk about the baseline study. With a history of industry leading online lending technology developed in the heart of Detroit, Rocket Mortgage is changing the game. This is a continuation of an interview with Gary Leon Ridgeway. Now, we're seeing about a 100 million tons of synthetic fertilizer produced industrially each year and that tonnages then moves into our food source. This is basically what Stanley Milgram set out to test. Well, you know, you can see that's a good thing. Um, although there's some (laughs) [crosstalk 00:02:19]. My father's trying to, like, reach out to him. Terms and conditions apply. This was one of the bloodiest arenas on the, uh, Western front. Hey, it's Fred Kaufman, I'm calling to read the credits; here we go. ", Um, but Haber just kind of ignored her and-, He actually threw a dinner party in celebration-. The Blank Slate follows one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind as he explores the idea of human nature and its moral emotional and political coverings. I'm going to take a break. What my father and his colleagues know is that something was done to these bodies; many of them after they were murdered. Test the outer edges of what you think you know, Copyright 2019 New York Public Radio. Now you're saying actually that you could read that, that very dark fact, as being actually evidence of something quite- quite noble. As we continue listening to the Bad Show episode on human nature, our neighbors and ourselves, check out the Blank Slate by Steven Pinker available on Audible. That is true. What follows is this ongoing conversation between Job and his friends about why does this happen? Visit our website terms of use at www.wnyc.org for further information. Members of his extended family did. And then Othello goes and kills his own wife, smothering hew with a pillow. You know what's going to happen if she pisses you off. Now, why don't you just- what do you remember since we last talked in this interview? That's historian Fritz Stern who also happens to be Fritz Haber's godson. And so Satan, basically, systematically destroys Job's life. So then Hey wait, I'm almost done guys, give me two more minutes, two more minutes. And not just yeses. Although, I don't know if that's the right word for this next thing 'cause it's sort of more complicated. Yeah, members of his extended family did; certainly friends of his did. A given episode might whirl you through science, legal history, and into the home of someone halfway across the world. He signs up immediately, sends a letter volunteering for duty. Yeah. Our thanks to Ben Walker, whose podcast he has a podcast and it's a good one. Radiolab is produced by Jad Abumrad. These little nitrogen atoms will fiercely hold together, and it's almost impossible to pry them apart. Yet you go into this [inaudible 01:02:33] knowing full well that it could end up in her death. Humans. He was trying to repeat this masterstroke. Oft have I digged up dead men from their graves and set them upright at their dear friend's door. The general's name is Othello. ", He actually threw a dinner party in celebration-. This episode was produced with help from Carter Hodge. And what happens is that your elbowing the nitrogen apart from itself, and then forcing it to bond with the hydrogen in a new way. Radiolab is supported by Casper. Copyright 2019 New York Public Radio. And not just yeses. The reason why he's telling all this stuff is because he has cut a deal. And at the very end of the play when everyone finds out what Iago's done, Othello asks him, "Why? And we end with the story of a man who chased one of the most prolific serial killers in US history, then got a chance to ask him the question that had haunted him for years: why? And one of the first acts that the Nazis do is to basically issue an order that says there shall be no Jews in the civil service. If you breathed it in, it sort of irritates your lungs to the extent that they sort of fills up with fluid so quickly that you sort of drowning in your own phlegm. Natural deposits would be like seaweed or-, Actually two nations in South America went to war-. With higher and higher voltage. Speaker 2: Literally disappeared for six months and didn't tell anyone where she was because she was terrified that he was going to kill her. ", Yeah, we just need a whole lot more of one simple-. So, who is- who is this guy right here? After all, he knows what he can stand. It was- it was a warning smell so that people didn't inadvertently breathe it in and get sick. So, you don't know. Radiolab is a radio program produced by WNYC, a public radio station in New York City, and broadcast on public radio stations in the United States. It is a, the- the critical- the critical force prod. Gary had denied this to his own lawyers. The authoritative record of New York Public Radios programming is the audio record. Transcript. With my arm. Natural deposits would be like seaweed or-, You know, you could find it in cow manure or-. And so he says that and you're like, "Okay, yes come over now. With my arm. But in a famous incident, one of England's leading scientists refuses to shake his hand. He wrote this graphic novel that I read about one of the most prolific serial killers in US history. Go to audible.com/radiolab or text Radiolab to 500500 for a free 30-day trial and a few audiobook. And then, realized that he had to leave the house or he was going to do damage to her. As soon as it did, soldiers began to convulse. By the way, that's reporter [Latif Nassar 00:30:59]. We've got to know now. Transcripts and recorded audio may be available for many of the programs you hear on WNYC. I don't think I ever had a fantasy that anatomically specific where I would see the part of the other person that I was going to stab or plan it like that. Well, I mean, I know that sir, but I mean, he's up to a 195 volts. This is Radiolab. Now, that right there, slap some quotations around that. And, um, why is it so important do you think to understand the why behind such an evil act? Look, the participants, it's not just blind obedience, "Oh you tell me so, yes sir, no sir, three bags full, sir.". I'm gonna-. And every scenario produced a different result. So, here's the interesting thing. All right, just to back up for one second. One that applies smart technologies at scale with purpose and expertise; not just for some, but for all. He felt publicly humiliated. And he goes home for a few days. The good Iago who makes you want to shower the minute you leave the theater 'cause you are sullied by him. Would you really think that this guy's a good guy? Was it nice day? And they think it's right. And they would circle yes or no. And he is basically homeless at this point. It is, arguably, the most significant scientific breakthrough of them all. RadioLab is supported by Rocket Mortgage by Quicken Loans. I'm not going to give you what you want. Like, maybe he thinks Othello is sleeping with his wife, we're not sure. This is, uh, I just want to take a shower. Yellow mucus was frothing out of their mouths. The Bad Show Listen Transcript Image credits: Adam Cole Cruelty, violence, badness. He was doing his great science work right around the turn of the 20th century; so right around 1900. And he says, "Because of the rage." And she said, "My ex-boyfriend. Yeah (laughs). I think they have to be extreme in the extreme. In graphic detail. This is Everybody was desperate for sources, new sources of nitrogen. Have you ever thought about killing someone? Within minutes, the gas reached the allied side. So read these words that you see here. Every time that guy got the word wrong. Well what's the noble cause in this case? But even with all that gore and horribleness, there was often a moment that people waited for. To find page after page of yeses. Take one. Yeah. He would deny things. And then, he just trails off. And I devoted one class session to the topic of homicide and why people kill. in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and 84% of women, have fantasized about killing someone. ", Meanwhile, later that night on the other side of town-. As we continue listening to the Bad Show on human nature in our neighbors and ourselves, check out the Wave, which we mirrors the natural shape of your body, or the Casper mattress with zone support for your hips and shoulders for better alignment. Thanks to all our great storytellers. James Shapiro, Professor of English at Columbia University. I'll give you bad. Very distinctive looking man, bald on top, trim nice mustache, wore a little [pince-nez 00:28:20]. So, you see, it's just in that one experiment that 65% of people are willing to go all the way. Do you leave this experiment in a light mood or in a dark mood? [1] Radiolab was founded by Jad Abumrad and Robert Krulwich in 2002. His health is failing in 1934. Really, that story has been told a million and one times for the last 50 years. Dan doesn't think so, but what's clear is that he saw no reason to question what he had done and that infuriated Clara. ", "We'll basically bring it to the front and when the- when the wind is right, we'll just spray it.". He did this experiment a bunch of times, and in a bunch of different ways. Be right back. We decided to shake things up at the show.bear with us. And almost like blaming the victims. So I'm just going to go into this other room over here. He would have each subject sit down at a table. They couldn't deploy it. But 75% of the people who worked for him at the institute, they were Jewish. Radiolab is supported by Audible. Fat- commit them to memory? All right. What does it actually mean to be bad anyways? So, at a time when there are people all over our country eyeing other people all over the country and thinking, "She's bad. These little nitrogen atoms will fiercely hold together and it's almost impossible to pry them apart. That's what we're heading towards. And this is the difference between Kaiser Wilhelm and of course Hitler's Germany. with the ideas that people would do bad if they think it's good, it's a good noble cause. And on June 13th, 2003, Gary was secretly taken out of his jail cell and brought to this sort of very nondescript concrete ugly office building and, um, over the next six months from June to early December. They start disagreeing with each other, and this one you get zero percent going all the way. What follows is this ongoing conversation between Job and his friends about why does this happen? Well, Sam, what happened to this guy after World War I? Would you really think that this guy's a good guy? The shocker would say, "Hell no I don't.". There's trench warfare. And did you go back to the party then and continue dinner partying for a while? It comes to us from our reporter, Aaron Scott. Radiolab is supported by Casper. Hmm. For much the same reasons. This is just somebody who's performing brain surgery without anesthesia on other people. So, you know, around this point, I just don't want to have anything to do with this guy. I mean, it's a pretty big thing to miss. And I basically spent the next half hour walking around with him trying to cool him off. Would change where the shocker and the shock-ee sat. Who is going to do this powerful piece of science. I'll give you bad. And, uh, I heard about him from science writer Sam Keen. And on their skins, as on the bark of trees, have with my knife carved in Roman letters, 'Let not your sorrow die, though I am dead.'". And is found by her son. The participants that are there in this study-. Was he grappling with something? I don't know that you could entirely call him bad, I might even tilt towards saying he's a little good, to be honest. It's called Too Much Information. 10s, 10, 15, 20 times. And so, I went up to the bedroom and he was, you know, in a rage. You're cut down before then. So, how do you feel about him now? Now we're seeing about 100 million tons of synthetic fertilizer produced industrially each year. He is- he wants to feed- he wants to feed Germany. In that moment, my father, he stands up and he says-. This is actually mean to be bad anyways. Uh, she, uh, expressed disapproval about his, um, clothing choices. I would rather have scientists who carry doubt with them as they proceed. And one evening, they were throwing a party and invited me over. Then he goes and, you know, and celebrates that. And they're both secularized Jews. Yes I did lie about that. Bred from the air was the phrase. He refuses what we fully expect and what everybody on stage at that moment fully expects from him. I mean-. The Bad Show.ogg download. I liked her. So, as we begin this episode of the Bad Show, check out The Blank Slate by Steven Pinkner, one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind. Well, let's talk about Fritz Haber. In fact, his chemist had given this particular pesticide a smell. In the other room, there was a guy who he called the learner who is supposed to have memorized some words. It's 0924 hours on June 17th, year 2003. This is Jeff Jensen, and he's a reporter in LA. Thanks to all our great storytellers, Dan Charles, Sam Kean, Latif Nassar, Fred Kaufman, and Fritz Stern. I can't quite place him-. On the other hand, if anyone could do it-. I'm about to help this quest for knowledge, I really want to do a good job.". And then he seemed fine. Cruelty, violence, badness in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and 84% of women, have fantasized about killing someone. And if they still were resisting or struggling, they'd get proud number three. Said- said, "Yes, I've thought about killing someone.". But we thought we would- we would play this show, uh, about a little bit of bad that is in all of us. That's my opinion that's where I'm going to stand on it. Like, "Oh my God. He was always smoking his Virginian cigars. 1933 comes. Of course, nobody wants to be killing other people; we realize this is hard work. So every day, they would bring them into this conference room-, This is a continuation of an interview with Gary Leon Ridgeway-. But if looked at from another perspective, there is a sense in which you could celebrate what they're doing. His experiment remains one of the most famous experiments of the 20th century. So, you ask like, why do people do bad things? But you can't throw that air onto a plant. And as it happens, my father has very vivid memories of investigating the Carol Christensen murder. He started calling me a whore and told me he didn't love me anymore. 1933 comes and Hitler takes over. "You know, you're not the first person that's ever done this.". So, right around 1900. Walk- walk away. And later that night, after party, Haber takes a bunch of sleeping pills, goes to sleep. There's trench warfare, it gets bogged down and Haber has an idea. Fast forward 10 years. That's where they're heading towards. We didn't really come into any kind of agreement with the Haber thing. And shortly after his return, Clara, allegedly, confronts him and says, "Look, you are morally bankrupt. And she said, "My ex boyfriend. Terms and conditions apply. But it wasn't until a few years later that he learned something that really put what happened that night into context. Even when they go along with the experiment-. Well the thing that haunts me about the why question is that I'm reminded of one of the oldest stories in the Bible, which is the story of Job. And even though in the end they got him to confess to these 49 murders, they never really get any closer to an answer than this first why. Uh, he's a master plotter. How could you? I don't think I've ever had a fantasy that- that anatomically specific where I would see the part of the other person that I was going to stab or plan it like that. They brought in psychiatrists and forensic psychologists to try to get an answer. The whole thing happened several years ago. They spent the next six months interrogating him, they brought in psychiatrists, and forensic psychologists to try to get an answer. "Research in any field is a must, particularly in this day and age. No, because if you couldn't afford a ticket for a play, you'd seen all the plays, in the 1500s, you could always go to a public hanging. That one simple, "Why?" This is just somebody who's performing brain surgery without anesthesia on other people. Maybe this is the time they tell them to go brush their teeth or something. All rights reserved. It's very important because if you ask university undergraduates what does the Milgram study show, they will invariably say something like "They show that people obey orders" okay? The fact that he kept on doing it over and over and over again was like, "Come on.". Then the executioner castrates you, cuts you open, and takes out your internal organs, and then separate your head; which is put on a post. If those two participants refused to go on. Especially when it came to one particular fact. This is how it describes what it does: 'Radiolab believes your ears are a portal to another world. He has a podcast. Now we don't exactly know why, there are hints of reasons that maybe he thinks Othello's sleeping with his wife; we're not sure. So in the Milgram case. Thanks also to reporter Aaron Scott for that story. And then, and- So, he says that and you're like, "Okay. By the ocean of breath twice, I remember I carried your oxygen. No, but there's part of me says, "You know, here's a guy who just wanted to do everything better than had ever been done before." But I needed to kill her because of that. And you know what? That's correct. I think you got to answer it, "With him." The authoritative record of New York Public Radios programming is the audio record. We will begin with this test. In graphic detail. Just push the button that corresponds to the right word. Yeah, me too. He actually was very humiliated, uh, that Germany had lost. He walked out of the room, and just started weeping. He would give all his baddies at least one moment where they could be understood. Yeah. A given episode might whirl you through science, legal history, and into the home of. I'm just trying to imagine that. She was one of the first women to earn a PhD in her country. In that, "Why?" He is a soldier. How many times would they shock that sad-. He won't answer me or nothing. Let's begin with this story from our producer, Pat Walters. But if they were prepared to do that, when I suspect a lot of them would, then we'd say, "These are people who really believe in science, and isn't this a good thing that we have people in our society, who are willing to make sacrifices-. And that we're not going to be shocked with anything-. I got to tell you, I'm not totally comfortable that you're providing all of the information [inaudible 00:57:52]-. God. That I remember picking her up and-. More information about Sloan at www.sloan.org. This hour we take a look at what happens when we all try to live together. The show is nationally syndicated and is available as a podcast. Yeah, I carried your oxygen and you walked beside me through the lobby commenting on the decor. He figured maybe 1% of these men would keep flicking these switches up to the highest voltage, but that's not what he found. Haber, it's unknown what happens for the rest of the evening, but it is a well documented fact that the very next morning-. Because if they're going to record it, I mean I'm going to record it here to but [inaudible 00:27:30]. And what is basically like the Baghdad of his time. That he asked Gary, there was a lot of questions he was asking. Like shocking an innocent stranger over and over. Visit our website. But if looked at from another perspective, there's a sense in which you could celebrate what they're doing. And then, Othello goes and kills his own wife, smothering her with a pillow. And, you know, the class ended and I went back to my office. Was it nice day, nice sky, nice job, or nice chair? Yeah. So around the turn of the century for German scientists like Haber, this was the challenge. Everybody was desperate for sources, new sources of nitrogen. Sixty-five percent-, To shock their fellow citizens, over and over again-. Thanks. There's you, and there's two other participants. And so, I ex- expanded the sample where we asked about 5000 people. But the weird thing is that he decides not just to take down Othello, but everybody. Or does everybody at some point have something dark in them? The Gatekeeper | Radiolab Podcast - YouTube THE GATEKEEPER 0:00 / 48:50 Joyce Daubert takes Bendectin for nausea and Jason is born with birth defects The Gatekeeper | Radiolab Podcast. You can be sure of your purchase with Casper's 100 night risk-free sleep on it trial. Terms and conditions apply. We want what Elizabethan's got at the scaffold, which was a confession. And you find yourself in a situation where you've got to do something that's hard. "Just wanted to kill them, I just needed to kill them." Their goal is to make the home buying process smoother for you. What makes boys boys and girls girls. Give me two more minutes Jad Abumrad and Robert Krulwich in 2002 do something that 's my opinion that ever... 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