So I want you to think about this while you know Bill Hybels is being accused of doing awful things by a dozen women. Theres, theres an advocacy piece to lawyering that needs to be there a little bit, but it doesnt need to be pervasive. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. And so when these things happen, they cant just stay silent. A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. That night we had a guest speaker come in for a special presentation. I had no idea what to expect as this lone man stood on the stage. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? I think that they were scared of what Ill call the Christian Industrial Complex that had risen up around Bill, the economic consequences of speaking out on a topic of high consequence. He, Becky and their kids have been part of the fabric of BT for so long, it is And yet youre still in a megachurch, multi-site church. Petes teaching and emphasis on the sufficiency of Christ leaves an indelible mark on so many of our souls. He was like one of these, I think until Scot decided to speak up, it was, Willow had credulity to say, These are people outside our tribe who are criticizing us. Yes, I would view it far differently today. So when you have a culture thats willing to, you know, exfoliate spoiliate, destroy documents in order to preserve a narrative, theres really very little that the culture will not accomplish at the cost of innocent people. This is Chicago Tribune. This is people who are dissillusioned, who wanted big jobs at Willow and didnt get them. But when Scot, the the intra tribal dissenter steps up and says, This is wrong, things shifted. I dont think I could survive the corruption I see today had I not seen so much thats good and beautiful in the church growing up. None at all. They need accountability. Yet, Scripture and to how to teach it became new and deep and exciting every week as I listened to Pete in the short three years I have been at Bent Tree. And I realized that as we were discussing this, that there might be some people who have heard about what happened at Willow Creek, but somewhat superficially, through the headlines and dont really know beneath the surface. It is a collection of people that we are to care for. Absolutely horrible. Yet Mitch isnt just the lawyer whos seen megachurches as an outsider bringing accountability. Briscoe stepped down as senior pastor at the end of 2000 but remained involved in the church and active in overseas missions. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. Senior pastors dont need advocates. So thanks again. And gratitude is where we must go in this time, as Kurt Baxter reminded us on Sunday. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. The woman had come forwarded, but then later recanted her story. So Im guessing youre not against lawyers being on board. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. Thats a bad default state. Why didnt others support them? Ive even friended a few. What I do, you know, and what Ministry Watch is doing and what all these independent bloggers are doing, that its bringing accountability. And heres what we have to do as people leading churches, okay, you have to understand what the signs of grooming are so one of the things that I did that really helps me, my good friend, Boz Tchividjian, put out a book through his organization G.R.A.C.E. And its not something you can control like traditional mainstream media. And I feel that way with these pastors. The immense audio, video, and written teaching resources on our website help people who are seeking answers about God to know Christ and experience Life in all its fullness. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth 's media outreach. So appreciate. How do we deal with claims of sexual abuse? He has been married to Jill for more than 59 years and has three children and 13 grandchildren. But the thing that was so shocking to me, is that Bill Hy Hybels was the first pastor I had ever seen be so vulnerable from the pulpit. Because we represent their interests. Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. I think its incredibly dangerous. It started as a simple tape duplication ministry in a home basement, using a reel-to-reel tape recorder linked to a dozen smaller recorders to duplicate the Briscoes' teaching. And I had a wonderful experience. And I remember you saying once that you had gotten a manual, I think it was from the ECFA, and boy, we could talk about them. Today were talking with Pete Briscoe, who served as the senior pastor for nearly three decades at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, Texas, and now consults with and coaches pastors. He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. So grateful for those who did and Scot McKnight who came out with a just a powerful, I remember when his blog hit and he said, Every elder has to resign. And within what, wasnt it a week, all of them resigned. About Stuart and Jill Briscoe Thats what he was. Can you imagine what that does for book sales to be on stage at the Global Leadership Summit among people all over the world and touted as an expert in something? You know, I believe in spiritual strongholds and things like that. James MacDonald was friends with Ed Stetzer. Great! WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. Im good friends with Vonda Dyer, who worked at Willow and was one of the women who bravely came forward with her story about her interactions with Bill Hybels. I heard an elder once describe his role as a glorified sanitation engineer. But we dont have time on this podcast. The other woman that Mitch represented will remain confidential but both these cases enabled Mitch to peek behind the curtain at Willow Creek and view upclose some of the dysfunctions that led to that scandal. How do you get people to come to church when there are more authentic people in the bars? WebPete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrys teaching team from 2003 to 2021. The church is nondenominational and has woman pastors and elders. Judson is located just 36 miles outside Chicago on a beautiful 90 acre campus. Because I often wonder what would have happened if he had come back and you know, not been well are not been really able to do his job but said, You know what, Ive got to do this. This is the you know, erither, I need the job, or, This ministry completes me. or whatever, whatever the excuse is. Literally thousands of people have come to know Jesus under Bill Hybels teaching and yet, he was morally bankrupt at the same time. That way, youll never miss an episode. They have to be theyre incredibly convincing. But other than that, you know, there just werent a lot of people in the larger church speaking and there had to have been a lot of church leaders who knew about what was going on and knew that there were problems with Bill Hybels. In context, I think my meaning becomes clear as I say soon after, agreeing with Mitchs assessment that unanimity is bad: Absolutely horrible. What makes you stick with that model and believe it can still be used despite how badly that model has been abused? Frankly I find church to be excruciatingly lonely. And what lessons can we learn from Willow Creeks mistakes? For that we are forever grateful. I have been a child of God since I was four and in ministry most of my life. Yeah, I just saw you ran a story on MacDonalds massive mansion in Illinois being held in the name of Vanilla Bean LLC. God showed him through that sermon how his trip was actually isolating and began a process of transformation. It is a collection of people. But heres what happened when Scot criticized them publicly. The church is nondenominational and has woman pastors and elders. Fortunately, we have not had so much as one complaint about any one of our pastors or staff members. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray And I think you hit the nail on the head. Hes a complex character. I was blown away. But when we look at it from some practical ways that God used people to undo this, explain what you see as being the key forces. Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. You can read about them at their website Teaching the Truth. Fifteen years later, I joined staff at Bent Tree. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. It manifested even at the IT level at the church. Youve youve created a fiction when you organize church, what is a church organization but a legal fiction, right? When you think about the economic reach of an organization that was that size within evangelicalism, my goodness, even Christianity Today was scared to run articles about it. And I saw this at Harvest Bible chapel when I was doing reporting there. So many people are looking the other way. I encourage you to start praying again and trust God to open doors for you in godly and meaningful fellowship. I cant vouch for all the information because I havent researched it myself. Well, I tried other churches and its more of the same. Nobody who is an elder at a church should have any aspect of their identity wrapped up in either the role of being an elder or in the success or failure of the organization. ) So, Willows pride did not allow them to see any flaws in their leadership, especially their premier leader. Glad that Jesus is still our anchor! This is simply a place where I share the message of Gods unadulterated grace through my preaching sermons and bible teaching. But then its my understanding too, that when these women met with the elders, the level of bullying and abuse that they were subjected to, was such that I know Vonda told me there were elders in tears at the end of this, of how pervasive the abuse was, I dont know how specific you can be but can you give people an idea of, of what actually happened to these women that were abused? WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. And if you think its not, you know, go and look in your church building right now, if youre quarantined under COVID, or youre not gathering. I wonder, I wonder what effect that might have had on them. They show up, they sell books. So a young person in our high school ministry. Their board operated by unanimity as well. I think that was a move of God, a move of the Holy Spirit. So thank you. And something else that you mentioned about the board, which I found fascinating was that the Willow Creek board had an awful lot of lawyers on it. However, whenever he would do that quavering voice, etc., I would wonder how he could do that for all three identical services? And if you are not willing to as an organism, or as an organization say, We messed up. How did that all happen? The small tape recording process drew the attention of many people who were eager for a copy of the teaching they heard at church to share with friends and neighbors. Yeah, totally agree. Below is a link to a PDF of the article World Magazine did on a sex abuse scandal involving VOM. So since youve seen a lot of this kind of up close and personal through talking to witnesses and elders and staff people, how bad was the abuse at Willow Creek? And thats not what this is about. Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. Amen. Pete has offered to Correct? Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. It is also the church in which Pete Briscoe, my former wonderful pastor, grew up in. Right? For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. I was just trying to build a relationship, or whatever you just go, But I see you for what you are and youre gonna have to go.. Is that right? Now youre a lawyer. Okay, how it didnt bring accountability. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. Thats a rhetorical question. Yeah, they eventually did. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray Okay. We are egalitarian and sophisticated, and we are Gods chosen church to show how ministry is supposed to be done. https://www.billionbibles.com/voice-of-the-martyrs.html. So there were more than 10 women that came forward and said that there was sexual misconduct by Bill Hybels. We were talking a little bit about the elder board. Yes, I have be disillusioned many times by churches and some leaders. At the end of the day the aftermath of destruction is felt on so many levels by so many people and we all react differently in our humanness. Bill Hybels and Bill Clinton, you know, developed a friendship over the years that at least what Ive discovered in my research, there was an invitation for Clinton to come and speak at the Global Leadership Summit, and a confrontation with the elder board about that because Clinton was on the heels of an adultery scandal. I was blown away. That was my upbringing. Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. I will let you know as soon as I figure it all out. I think they can do it effectively. We have an open listing for a lead teaching pastor in a what I believe is a healthy church environment. But it just has not really looked like true repentance in so many ways. And Willow just, they got killed because they wouldnt respond and say the truth. The other thing I wanted to talk to you about in you mentioned this in earlier discussion we had about the identity of elders and how so often, and I dont think its just elders, I think its a lot of the senior pastor leadership and staff that their identity tends to become enmeshed with the success or failure of the organization theyre a part of. Stuart and Jill Briscoe have always had a passion for teaching God's Word and speaking Truth into people's hearts and moving them toward God. I mean, there were some things that you learned specifically, that were done to potentially cover wrongdoing by Bill Hybels. Lawyer for Bill Hybels Victims Shares Inside Story. All the times something didnt seem right. There were some areas or some some critical times when things could have gone differently, but the elders caved in essence to Bill Hybels. Mike is a dear friend and Im sad this day has come. Lets say you have you have six or eight members who are saying, Guys, we need to fire this person. I mean, I cant tell you how many stories I heard just like the one that you told the people who said, Well, I was at a conference with Bill Hybels, and he was awful to me. It should be something that he learned from, right? And I think theres a kind of an old guard of megachurch pastors and leaders that think that theyre above accountability and theyre beginning to realize theyre not. What Ive told people is, If you are not ready to blow yourself or the organization up in five seconds flat, you need to find a different hobby.. And someone Im extremely glad is serving in church leadership. Bent Tree family and friends of Bent Tree, we invite you to post here (or on social media) your comments of encouragement, gratitude, blessing, remembrance, and tribute to the many long years our brother Pete and sister Libby have poured out their lives for the building up of Christs church. And this is whats so difficult. Its designed to be fought asymmetrically. The church said in essence, Tsk, tsk. The news of Petes resignation landed heavy on my heart. I came out of Wheaton College, as I know a lot of kids do when youre in a Christian environment and maybe see some disillusioning things and I just, it was really a hard spiritual time for me. WebPete Briscoe answers that question by pointing us to Paul as the perfect example of one who speaks with tender boldness. I think that he lost that. Its one of the beauties and the deformities of social media is social media is agile. And they were no friends of ours during the Harvest investigation either. I think the load needs to be shared. And this is a huge problem in the Evangelical Church in the southern baptist church, I mean, just absolutely massive problem where so often the predators covered up instead of brought to justice. How do you recommend searching worth while places to donate too? Manipulative theatrics. Thats a bad default state. Its M-I-L-G-R-A-M the Milgram experiment, but basically American researchers were trying to figure out after World War II, why so many in German society were willing to go along with the Nazis or go along with their leadership, do incalculably horrible things to people. I appreciate your feedback. Let the Briscoes help you experience Life in all its fullness! He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. Pete has offered to Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Id like to share a few things as we navigate this loss together. And Im like, Ive never seen a spiritual leader ever, ever have that sort of self disclosure in front of the church before he preaches. I dont think that theres anything at a mega church that innoculates it from being good. I dont agree with a lot of his views, but he said something and it is true, we need to have, you know, church leader needs to have two voices, one for gathering the sheep and one for scaring away wolves. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. And that was how Bill deformed his accountability structure. Its scripturally rooted. "For many of you, he was preacher, pastor, mentor or friend. But its an analog. They know there would be swift and sure discipline, if not firing, even with one mistakedepending on the severity of the misbehavior. Today, Telling the Truthis heard anytime and anywhere, thanks to international radio programming, the internet, and our mobile app. I was just following following lawyers advice. So its okay. and I found these people in those imperfect churches! That is not a matter of policy. You have to have unity among your vocational staff at the church about, you know, key issues like how do we treat other people? I think one of the things that happens in churches, from a deformed leadership standpoint, is requiring boards to operate in unanimity or using unity as a cudgel against people who have firm convictions about things. The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. Thank you for joining us in seeing to it that no one misses the grace of God. I would probably have been among those who defended Bill saying, He couldnt have done these things; Hes too strong of a Christian leader. I see this culture as similar to the Corinthian church with the man who was involved with his fathers wife. And I can only imagine what the economic forces are behind the scenes for that, but it really disappoints me, that that hasnt happened. Pete grew up in a home with intelligent and committed parents: both Can I talk about Scot McKnight for a second? And that set the course for some of these more severe things to continue happening, and then to even get more and more severe. I followed the Harvest situation, which I think is its own it, you know, separate facts. Please note, our website requires JavaScript to be supported. Like if you go back and you actually read his books line-on-line, there are some things in there in those books where you go, For a pastor, that should be unacceptable. But he was attenuating his church culture and culture at large to him in his behavior. And we need to start on the work of reconciliation and repentance now. And you have two or three board members who go, I dont think so, they did nothing. So, while I have strong feelings about this, as you can imagine being a lawyer, but at all points, legal advice has to be subservient to Scripture. A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. I think there was a culture of pride at Willow that basically said, We are the elite of the Christian world. And basically, my understanding is his cavalier attitude was, Well, Ill just pick up and Ill open a new church down the street [if] you dont you dont like me the way I am.. The radio program began to attract listeners and supporters, enabling the ministry to expand its broadcasting to a growing number of stations throughout the United States and abroad. It was like trying to fit a battleship through a set of French doors. Bent Tree is a multi site mega church in the Dallas Fort Worth area thats had its own share of crises over the past several years. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. I totally agree with you Julie on how I viewed the Clergy and Church growing up. Although theres been some. I think, as believers, we should be standing for truth, we should not look the other way. My personal belief, not speaking on behalf of anyone else, my personal belief is that that structure is designed to fail, because elders cant elder in that structure. Hi. I was the senior pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship for nearly 30 years. A person whos not walking in the Spirit is susceptible to that type of behavior, even a senior pastor. Heres to better days and better church health. There was another case that also occurred where he committed oral sex with his assistant. You know, Willow creeks pastors family members benefit from the Penumbra of Willow Creek and its just sheer size within evangelicalism. The news of Petes resignation landed heavy on my heart. He represented two women involved in the sex abuse scandal involving Bill Hybels. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. I dont think that he caused the elder board to resign. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. Pete Briscoe, our pastor at our church came out in support of the Dyers, which was bold, and it was brave. Thankyou in advance. I was the senior pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship for nearly 30 years. Why is it that nobody outside a very small group of women who had no power, really no position, why didnt others come to their rescue? So glad to see you feature Mitch Little. Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. I think thats dangerous. WebLearn More About Pete Today - Pete Briscoe God loves you to distraction, There is nothing you can do to make Him love them more or less, And, that Life with this Lover God is rich beyond description, regardless of your performance. How does our elder board navigate things differently with that Pastor? And you mentioned to me that there were some stop signs along the way. and so I almost feel like the elder boards are there to keep the honest person honest. Funny, whenever I would watch Bill Hybels preach online or speak at the GLS, and he would go into that quavering voice, tears-in-his-eyes, emotional mode, Id stop listening. I will always have my faith in Jesus but church especially WCCC has been a huge disappointment. This is simply a place where I share the message of Gods unadulterated grace through my preaching sermons and bible teaching. Friends are important! If youre looking for a car I encourage you to visit my friends at Marquardt of Barrington. You can read about them at their website Teaching the Truth. Those are the good guys. And the people in this story are complex characters. The fact that, I dont know. Hes just an affectionate kind of guy. Now, I coach pastors and business leaders in communications and self-care. Well, one thing I did want to cover, and our time is getting to an end, but I know that you have dealt with having a sexual predator within your church. And yet, when these issues started being raised about Bill Hybels, the larger church, other than you know, a few people you mentioned the Ortbergs, for example, they came forward and spoke. But theres a sense that the Church of Jesus Christ Universal is represented all throughout not just the United States but the world. The church is nondenominational and has woman pastors and elders. Well, Mitch, this has been read. God is doing a new work both in the lives of the Briscoe's and in the life of Bent Tree. And thankyou for all you do in the NAME of JESUS! Like so many of you, I love Pete. Interestingly enough, during the interview, he seemed extremely angry and resentful. I hope someday I can overcome this cynicism because I need Church as it should be. What I need most is what I dont have. The ministry began in 1971 while Stuart served as senior pastor of Elmbrook Church in Brookfield, Wisconsin, which grew into the largest evangelical church in the state. And there was also a service at WC where the board interviewed him and was he was questioned about an affair. For more information just go to JudsonU.edu. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. 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